Hanley (aka Hanly)- Sorta completed i guess! :)

[aghadowey]

Here's the link to 1901 and 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

[Margeh75]

yea i was looking at the census and i think this may be the family http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Naas_Urban/Abbey_Terrace/545218/ but i'm not sure. it says John was 13 here, so he would have been born 1898. then i checked out Irish Family History association and that had a record of a john hanley b.1896 which was 2 years before. how will i ever know if i have the right one?? *EDIT---THIS IS NOT THE FAMILY****i mean on Walter's birthcert his father John was from Rathangan, but of course he may not have been born there. i looked at google maps, and i saw that Walter,my husbands dad, was living in Clonbullogue, in Offaly when my husband was born, and i noticed its not too far from Rathangan, and also the census says john lived in Naas Urban (kildare),  and Walters birthcert was Naas district (Kildare), and then after seeing John Hanley on the IFHA site (altho 1896 it says) baptised in Kildare,,,i'm wondering if its all linked. I'm confused ..are you confused yet? i'm confused hehe god i'm gonna have a cocktail now, my head in done in hahaha

[heywood]

When you get the birth certificate, you can work back from there.
Parents marriage certificate- that would be John??
Then you will have his father's name and you can be more sure then.

(plenty of time for cocktails whilst all this is happening  )

[Margeh75]

yea i'm gonna have to wait for the cert. I have no patience!

[Margeh75]

i got the birth cert back and the father of Walter James Hanley was John Hanley and mother Mary McGrath. These 2 were wed on 17/10/1923 in St Michaels church in Athy Co. kildare, and it doesnt give their ages on it!!!  i know i don't have the right people on the above census link because on the marriage cert it says Martin Hanly.  (this is before John changed Hanly to Hanley it says he (John Hanly) was a civic gaurd but the barracks part i cant read because the handwriting is crap and i cant make it out. so i don't know where Martin Hanly was from. i don't see any from Kildare with John as a son. i dunno...grrr

looking at the cert further inspection i think it says McCan barracks. i swear to god its the worst writing ever! I can't order his police record unless i have a dob :O maybe i can go on marriage date...worth a shot i guess

[heywood]

Is this correct so far:

1923 - John Hanly and Mary McGrath married Athy Co Kildare

John Hanly's father- Martin as certificate

Walter James Hanley born 1941

So the parents weere married some time before Walter J was born- more children perhaps but at the moment that is not what we are looking for.

Is McCan (?) barracks where John was on marriage or where Walter J was born?

[Margeh75]

yes so far i have

Walter James Hanley
                           
born in Rathangan , kildare ** 1941 died 2000
 
parents John Hanley of Clonbullogue and wife Mary McGrath he is a civic guard


on the marriage cert it is

John Hanly (no "e" in the Hanly- spelt differently on many man occasions)                       
John hanly and Mary Mcgrath married 17/oct/1923 in St Michaels Church ,Athy

again he is a civic guard, and what i think says McCan barracks under residence at the time
of marriage but Mary's place of resident is Bray, Athy.

John's father is Martin Hanly a labourer and her father is John Mcrath deceased. (a farmer)

i too noticed it was indeed sometime before Walter was born so there are possibly older sibblings before him

Also on the marriage cert where annoyingly no age is given he is said to be what i think says "Full age" and under Mary's it says minor...under 18 maybe?

Moderator's Comment: recent birthdate removed

[heywood]

1901 Martin Hanley with a son John c 4 yrs

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Killucin/Blockhall/1803816/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Ballysimon/Tooreen/1493688/

That's all I can see- of course dad may have died already  

Hanly

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Killummod/Derraun/1659732/
There is possibly another one with an older John but as we don't really know John's age , it's difficult.

Who are the witnesses on the marriage certificate?
What is Mary's dad called?


Our posts have just crossed- she would be under 21 as a minor so not too bad!

[Margeh75]

ahhh ok i see hehe the witnesses are Edward Cannon Mackey Parish Priest

William McGrath
and May Stanley.

i too thought the roscommon one. i;ll check out the others. I emailed the Gaurds at the National Garda Museum so i'm hoping they will have something. But without a DOB i dunno!

and i checked the census and i just dunno! was the name originally Hanley and just misspelt as Hanly or what its so annoyin!!!  it could be either of those families and all the Martin Hanly's seem to be farm labourers goddamn!