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virtute et industria buttons
« on: Friday 23 July 10 18:46 BST (UK) »
Hi
I have found a moth eaten uniform tunic with braiding on the sleeves and shoulders.The buttons I have managed to salvage,and I attach photo's of them.They bear the inscription 'Virtute et Industria'.Does anybody have any idea?The tunic was dark blue in colour but too far gone to photograph(it was in the eaves of my house).
All help gratefully received.
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Re: virtute et industria buttons
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 July 10 18:51 BST (UK) »
Virtute et Industria is the motto of Bristol (according to Google!)  - do you live anywhere near there?

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Re: virtute et industria buttons
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 July 10 19:29 BST (UK) »
I live at the other end of the Country, the tunic was found along with a railway timetable dated 1939.
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Re: virtute et industria buttons
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 July 10 19:55 BST (UK) »
Definitely the motto of Bristol - famous for railways but also a port, so that doesn't help much. Do you know the history of your house?  Is the uniform likely to belong to a previous owner?

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(Virtute et industrial according to Adge Cutler and the Wurzels, cf)
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)


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Re: virtute et industria buttons
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 July 10 23:42 BST (UK) »
Any chance of a much larger picture of the button?  It is not possible to make out the design in the centre which might help.  Was the timetable something like Bradshaws or ABC or was it issued by a railway company for a specific area?

Robert
FLOOD - Exeter, Middlesex.  DAVEY - Norfolk, Herts, West Ham.  MILLS - Hampshire.  GARLAND - Sussex.  BRIGHT - Hampshire, GULLIVER - Hampshire, Sussex, London.  NOCKELS - Norfolk.  POMEROY - Exeter.  RANDALL - Sussex, Surrey.  REYNOLDS - Cambridgeshire.  BOWYER - Cambridgeshire & Suffolk.  STUPPELL - Kent.  MISSEN - Cambridgeshire.  TAYLOR - Cambridgeshire.  TOWNSEND - London.  CURTIN - London, GIBBONS - Suffolk, BROWN - Suffolk, SWALE(S) - Yorkshire, GAIN - Sussex

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Re: virtute et industria buttons
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 24 July 10 10:14 BST (UK) »
Another picture of button .
The timetable was for a local train service in Liverpool .
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Re: virtute et industria buttons
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 24 July 10 10:20 BST (UK) »
And again


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Re: virtute et industria buttons
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 24 July 10 17:18 BST (UK) »
The arms on the button are nothing to do with those of Bristol or the LMS so no obvious connection with either.  Two crowns over crossed anchor & sword sounds vaguely military but looks pseudo-military.  Could it have been a band uniform?  The motto 'by virtue & industry' could have been used by all sorts of organisations, but might it have been Bristol based?

Robert
FLOOD - Exeter, Middlesex.  DAVEY - Norfolk, Herts, West Ham.  MILLS - Hampshire.  GARLAND - Sussex.  BRIGHT - Hampshire, GULLIVER - Hampshire, Sussex, London.  NOCKELS - Norfolk.  POMEROY - Exeter.  RANDALL - Sussex, Surrey.  REYNOLDS - Cambridgeshire.  BOWYER - Cambridgeshire & Suffolk.  STUPPELL - Kent.  MISSEN - Cambridgeshire.  TAYLOR - Cambridgeshire.  TOWNSEND - London.  CURTIN - London, GIBBONS - Suffolk, BROWN - Suffolk, SWALE(S) - Yorkshire, GAIN - Sussex

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Re: virtute et industria buttons
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 24 July 10 17:24 BST (UK) »
Could it be the Corps of Commissionaires?