Passenger lists look up - Soutter family

[Michelle34]

Hi,
My Grandfather was Norman Soutter and he had a sister called Violet Soutter born Janurary 1915. Also a brother called Wattie (so could be Walter) and a Nellie. Sadly we don't know much about the other siblins or their parents. We think the mother was called Voile Sorittio (although there is talk that she also had the name Phillips and there is some mystery surrounding this) and the father was either Walter or James Soutter. They lived in Southwark.
After reading your thread with great interest I am wondering if this is the same Soutter family.
 I seem to remember talk of Violets mum having a sister called Alice who was an actress who had illegiamate children. Could this be Alice Epps who was a witness at the marriage of Walter and Violet? Could Voile have become Violet Phillips before she married?
I am very new to all this but would love to find out the truth. Norman Soutter never spoke of his roots and Violet, my Great Aunt loved all the secrecy behind it. She promised to tell us before she died but unfortunately never did.
Can any of you please help?
Michelle

[Sparkle170]

Hi Michelle

Looks to me like we are distantly related!  The most recent info I have is from the 1911 census where Walter born 1873 is living with his wife Violet Florence Elizabeth (nee Phillips) and 4 children:  Walter age 6, Nellie age 5, William age 3 and Marie age 1.  Looks as though Norman and Violet that you mention were born after 1911.  Their address was 5 Moss Alley, Southwark.
Walter eventually died in 1922 @ Southwark.  Violet died in 1954 @ Southwark.

When Violet married Walter she was recorded as a spinster so she had not previously been married.  I have not come across the name ' Sorittio' so this is as much a mystery to me as it is you!  There are no records on freebmd with the name Sorittio so maybe a bit of a dead end??  The witness at their marriage was Alice Epps - I don't know whether this is a sister or not - have you looked at freebmd.co.uk to look up any births?

The parents of Walter were James Soutter and Emma (nee Undery).  I do have some info on them which I am happy to share.
I love a bit of scandal so you must tell me if you unearth anything!  I go on holiday tomorrow for 10 days so may not get back to you soon.
Sparkle

[Michelle34]

Isn't this brilliant!
I have found out more in a day than my dad has ever known about his family in 68 years!!!
So yes, it seems like my Great Grandad was your Great Grandmothers sister!!
Walter and Kate had the same mum then? From looking back at the thread I am a little confused about Clementine, James first wife. Did she did in 1870? If so who is the Clementina you mention who emergrated with Hunt?
I would love any info you have on any of them. I love it! And photos? Karenlee is amazing with all the info she is getting!

When I began to tell my dad he still didn't believe it was the right family because he only remembers the later children of Violet and Walter. He didn't realise so many had died but when I read them out her did rememner being told of uncles that drowned in the thames as children. He also remembers going to visit them n Moss Alley and said it was a dark depressing place.
After Walter died in 1922 Violet remained in Black until the day she died. She was a tiny but very strong Italian lady. We have a medical card belonging to her that gives her name as Violie (or something) Sirittio (or there-abouts). We think the card may be lost unfortunately!!!!!
So the most likely outcome is that the name she was born with in Italy was that and she came over with her mother as a child. Then her mother married Samuel Isaac Phillips. I have no idea how we could find this out, do you?

So this is the Walter and Violet Soutter family that I know of:
Walter Isaac J born 1903 died 1903
Walter Isaac A born 1905 died 1913 (drowned?)
Florence Ellen (Nellie) born 1906-married Dennis Wise 1923 (went on to have a son killed in Arnhem during the war)
William Richard (Billy) born 1907 died 1911 (drowned?)
Marie Kathleen born 1909 -married Reynolds 1935
Lily R born 1911 married fiztgerald 1932
William J (Billy) 1913 married ? 1932
Violet E born 1915 Married Wattham and later Jack Walsh. Died 2005
Norman Arthur born 1916 married Annie Jones 1940 (my dads parents) died 1980ish
Wattie Ramsey born 1919 married Kendall 1945 Died 1981ish
Ronald born 1921 (my mum seems to think he died ages about 21 of TB)

The the dad died, blimey we don't know how lucky we are!!!!

Regards, Michelle

[karenlee]

Yee Har

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Cheers
Karenlee

[Michelle34]

Thank you! I'm new to this caper so any advise is welcome.

Even though I don't know all the dates, I do know that all of my great aunts and uncle have now died. Sadly thats why we are all a bit sketchy about this!

If you have any info or photos would you mind emailing them to me please? How do I give you my address?

[karenlee]

Michelle

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Karenlee

[karenlee]

1901 Census England London Southwark
RG13/362/67/21
30 Moss Alley

PHILLIPS
Isaac Head Marr 51 Gas Fitter and Plumber Suffolk Bury St Edmonds
Christine Wife Marr 47 Devonshire Honiton
Chrisobel L DUTT Step Dau Unmarr 26 Hair Wig Maker Somerset Wiveliscombe
Violet F E PHILLIPS Dau Unmarr 21 Office Clerk London Holborn
Madeline R Dau Unmarr 19 ?? Labeller London Strand
Lilliam M Dau Unmarr 14 Errand Girl London Strand
Daisy G Dau Unmarr 12 London Strand

Cheers
Karenlee

[karenlee]

1891 Census England London Southwark
RG12/343/72/59
30 Moss Alley

PHILLIPS
Isaac Head Marr 39 Gas Fitter and Plumber Suffolk Barton
Christiana Wife Marr 38 Devonshire Honiton
Christabel L DUTT Stp Dau Unmarr 16 Theatrical Wig Maker Somerset Wivelscombe
Archibald R PHILLIPS Son Unmarr 15 Zinc Can Maker Kent Maidstone
Violet F Dau Unmarr 11 Scholar London Holborn
Madeline Dau Unmarr 9 Scholar London Strand
Lilian Dau Unmarr 4 London Strand
Daisy G Dau Unmarr 2 London Strand

Karenlee

[karenlee]

Archibald Richard C PHILLIPS born June Qtr Kent 1876

Marriage Register
St Saviour
Southwark
March 27th 1895

Archibald Richard Chester PHILLIPS 22 Bachelor Bricklayers Labourer 30 Moss Alley Father = Harry?? PHILLIPS Gas Fitter
Eva NEWPORT 19 10 Goal Street Father = Reuben John NEWPORT Dec

Witnesses were Thomas William PARKER and Eleanor Charlotte PARKER

Don't know why he said father was Harry... but it's def Violet's brother.

Baptism Register
St Columba Haggerston
Hackney

Florence Ellen daughter of Archibald and Eva PHILLIPS of 53 Fo?? Street. Born Oct 22nd 1904 Baptised Nov 13th 1904.  Father's Occupation = Stoker

Baptism Register
Christ Church
Southwark

Elizabeth Christine daughter of Archibald and Eva PHILLIPS of 25 Bear Lane.  Born Aug 1st 1906 Baptised Sept 9th 1906.  Father's Occupation Stoker.

1901 Census England London Southwark
RG13/362/64/16
5 Moss Alley

PHILLIPS
Archibald R C Head Marr 25 Stationary Engine Driver Kent Maidstone
Eva Wife Marr 20 London Holborn
Richard R Son Unmarr 1 London Southwark
Walter J Son Unmar 2mths London Southwark


Karenlee