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Re: PERRIN London c1760 Huguenot links?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 05 August 10 12:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Valda

I seem to be going round in circles!  I have tried to go back to the facts:
Thomas married Frances in 1804 in St George, Hanover
Two confirmed children -
Maria (b1836 in Reigate) according to census married John Cheesbrough - Francis Perrin living with them in 1861 and in 1851 census they have Bingley cousins staying with them.  No birth details found for Maria just information off the census.
Godfrey (b1810  in Middlesex) - no birth details, just information from census
Godfrey died in 1845 and buried St Luke, Chelsea, in 1841 he was living in South St, St George and was a tobacconist at 6 Park Side, Knightsbridge. Godfrey had 4 children - Godfrey Bingley, Maria, Edward William and John Thomas.

Back to Thomas Perrin, he does not featue in any census, in 1841 Frances is with her uncle William Bingley in Kensington.  Where is Thomas? It seems likely that Thomas has died before 1841 - a Thomas Perrin was buried on 15th Jan 1813 in St Marylebone, Westminster - is this our Thomas, if not, where is he?

With regard to Elizabeth Perrin born in Bardney - it could be possible depending when Godfrey was actually born.  I have found a Thomas Perrin born in nearby Fiskerton in 1785  to William & Sarah Perrin - but all their other children were born in Bardney-
Harrison 1776
Jane 1783
William & Sarah twins? 1770
Mary 1777
Ann 1779

Is this our Thomas' family - who knows?

Where do you suggest I look next or do you think it is exhausted?

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Re: PERRIN London c1760 Huguenot links?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 05 August 10 15:50 BST (UK) »
Hi

As Godfrey only appears on the 1841 census the yes born in county can be somewhat unreliable. It is only a question about county not place so it gives no evidence for a birth in Kensington.

'There was a belief that the census was a way of gathering data for the poor law and that people might in consequence end up being sent back to their place of birth. This could be the reason, as well as a hazy knowledge of county geography, that many people gave yes to the county of birth question, claiming they were born in the county, when later censuses show they were not.'

Maria's approximate birth date from the 1851 and 1861 censuses was circa 1806 in Reigate

According to the London Gazette of 25th January 1817 Frances was conducted business in her own right which would indicate that she may very well be a widow by then.

'Notice is hereby given, that the Partnership between us, James Bingley and Frances Perrin, of Henrietta-Street, Cavendish-Square, in the County of Middlesex, Turners and Brush-Makers was this day dissolved; As witness our hands this 27th day of December 1816.
James Bingley
Frances Perrin'


http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/17212/pages/161

This would be Marylebone.

James continued on at that address and was bankrupted in 1842 (previously bankruptcy notice 1841)

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/20063/pages/213

Since the Bingleys were in trade have you traced them through their potential wills?


A possible from the Sun Fire Insurance records

MS 11936/445/816862  7 June 1808
These documents are held at Guildhall Library
Insured: Thomas Perrin, 67 Castle Street East Oxford Market, mop maker and dealer in turnery
MS 11936/448/836555  31 October 1809
Insured: Thomas Perrin, 67 Castle Street East Oxford Market, mop maker and dealer in turnery

Same address In the London Gazette places this man as a fancy trimming manufacturer in 1813 and a prisoner in Newgate - probably there because he was insolvent

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/16829/pages/2639
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/16832/pages/2707



Regards

Valda
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Re: PERRIN London c1760 Huguenot links?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 25 September 17 18:27 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Just came across your post. My surname is "Perrins". I can trace the family line back 14 generations to rural Shropshire at the turn of the 16th/17th century. The first "Perrins" born in the UK (in my line at least) appears to be Bartholomew Perrins in early 1600's (don't have my files to hand). I think this is no coincidence with the St Bartholomew Day massacres of 23/24 August 1572. Wikipedia says:

"It has been claimed that the Huguenot community represented as much as 10% of the French population on the eve of the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, declining to 7-8% by the end of the 16th century,"

So migration to England around this time, seems highly likely. It could be your "Perrin" is a truncated version of this same line and is why you are struggling to get further back. (The line shows many Perrins's in and around Shropshire and the Black Country with my family moving into Birmingham in the late 19th century). Hope that helps.

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Re: PERRIN London c1760 Huguenot links?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 26 September 17 11:49 BST (UK) »
Hi

Thank you for taking the time to reply. Since posting we have managed to go back another generation of Perrins. Thomas Perrin b1745 - Unknown birthplace but living in London. Interestingly, he married an Ann Thomerop(e) daughter of Jacob Thomerop. As there is no one else on ancestry in England with this surname, we had to do some investigation and found it to be a Danish name.
We still haven't found a definite Huguenot link but the inter marriage of a Dane could be a link. The Danes were Protestant and their armies fought alongside the Huguenots in Ireland for the Protestant cause of King William. Jacob Thomerop is featured in a manuscript on the Hugenot website, he is just listed as a person with a foreign name living in a Hugenot settlement in London, the same place where Thomas Perrin senior is also living. It could be a coincidence and we have no proof, but my initial gut feeling could be right and he is of Huguenot decent. Thomas may well be linked to your family, we just can't find any birth record for him.


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Re: PERRIN London c1760 Huguenot links?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 September 17 21:43 BST (UK) »
Hi again,

I have quite a few Thomas Perrin"s"'s in the family line. All from the Midlands area. But none are born within 5 years of your Thomas Perrins, so sorry, I can't help.

I still have a gap in my completed line but the "break" is around the turn of 1900's so I just need to spend a little more time in the BM&D registrer.

Cheers