Mills family Presteigne

[Jean Birmingham]

Looking for information about John Mills who was born in Presteigne in 1840. He moved to Malvern area where he married an Ellen Waldron ,they later moved to Birmingham. He became a Carpenter/ Joiner. He was my Great Grandfather. Any information gratefully received.     Jean Birmingham.


 

[Mort29]

Marriage?

Marriages Dec 1861  Upton on Severn District
 
Lucas  Caroline    Upton  6c 449   
Mills  John James     Upton  6c 449   
TAYLOR  Joseph     Upton  6c 449   
WALDRON  Ellen Josephine     Upton  6c 449   


Looks like him as an infant in the 1841 census of Presteigne?

HO107; Piece 428; Book: 28; Civil Parish: Presteigne; County: Herefordshire; Enumeration District: 3A; Folio: 5; Page: 5 - 'Combe'


None state that they were born in the County, relationships not given, adult ages rounded down to 5 year multiple
 
William Mills 25 Carpenter
Charlotte Mills 20
John Mills 1
Esther Knight 65


The family are eluding me in the 1851 census, but by 1861 John is in the Great Malvern area.

1861 RG9; Piece: 2096; Folio: 45; Page: 2 Great Malvern - 'Ivy Mount Cottage'
 
Thos Broad 27 Head of Household born Malvern: Carpenter
Sarah Frances Broad 23 Wife
Francess Maria Broad 3
Amy Broad 1
John Broad 55

William Palmer 29
Wm Davis 26
Thos Roberts 23
John Mills 21 Lodger born Presteigne, Radnorshire - occupation Carpenter
Willm Leighton 57


all but one Lodger was a Carpenter by trade.


Here are the married couple in 1871 in Aston, Warks:-

RG10; Piece: 3149; Folio: 84; Page: 28 Aston, Duddeston Cum Nechells, 18 New Vauxhall Terrace
 
Joseph Baker 33 Head of Household
Elizabeth Baker 32 Wife
Joseph Baker 11 son
Benjamin Baker 4 son

John J Mills 31 Lodger born Radnorshire, Presteigne - Carpenter
Ellen J Mills 39 Lodger born Little Malvern - Dressmaker
Ellen Mills 4 dau born Birmingham
George C Mills 1 son ditto
 


Hard times in 1881 ......

1881 RG11; Piece: 3049; Folio: 100; Page: 22 Aston - "Aston Union Workhouse" Gravelly Hill Erdington
 
John Mills 41 Inmate born Radnorshire, Presteigne: a Joiner
Ellen Mills 39 Inmate born Little Malvern: a Dressmaker
Ellen Mills 14 Inmate born Birmingham: General Servant
George E. Mills 11 Inmate ditto scholar
Charlotte Mills 9 ditto
Frederick Mills 7 ditto
John Mills 2 ditto

[Mort29]

1891 RG12; Piece: 2385; Folio 35; Page 17 Birmingham (St Martin) Back of 16 Jennus Row #1
 
John Mills 51 Head of Household born Presteigne: Carpenter
Ellen Mills 49 Wife born Malvern
George Mills 21 son born Birmingham: Moulder
Charlotte Mills 19 dau ditto: Press Worker
John Mills 11 son ditto scholar
William Mills 8 son ditto



Looks like John has gone by the time of the 1901 census:-

1901 RG13; Piece: 2838; Folio: 76; Page: 46 Birmingham (St Martin) 4 Back 16 Jennus Row
 
William Mills 19 Head of Household born Birmingham: Tinner Iron Trade
Jane E Mills 19 Wife ditto: Spoon & Fork polisher
Ellen J Mills 62 WIDOW Mother born Little Malvern
William Mills 1 month son Birmingham

[Mort29]

Going back to the 1851 census, I had forgotten that Radnorshire was enumerated in Wales 

HO107; Piece: 2492; Folio: 465; Page: 21 Presteigne Church Street

all state born Radnorshire, Presteigne
 
William Mills 35 Head of Household Carpenter
Charlotte Mills 32 Wife
John Mills 11 son (shown as age 4 in the Index)
Frances Mills 8 dau
Sarah Mills 6 dau
William Mills 2 son

Susanne Abel 22 Visitor Spinster

[LottieB]

Hello Jean

Couldn't resist posting as I stumbled across this thread while researching my family in 1871.

It seemed my lot lived at number 19 New Vauxhall Terrace and yours were next door!

Small world 

[Mort29]

Jean seems to have resisted - hasnt been back 

[LottieB]

Certainly looks that way Mort!

Jean, I was just checking my same family's census for 1881 and they have a Jane Mills living with them, born Birmingham 1862.  Could this be one of your Mills?  If so, we have a connection as she is a niece of the head of my Parsons family.

[Jean Birmingham]

Have had a few family problems, apologies for not replying to all your information sooner. Was so pleased to have all your various pieces of information. Have already been into some of the censuses, but thanks to Mort it looks as though I may be able to obtain proof of John James Mills birth. My maternal Grandmother was Jane Elizabeth Mills  born in 1882 in Birmingham, but have never been aware of any family with the name Parsons. Don't know if that is any help to Lottie B. Vauxhall still exists as a district, and my family only moved within a few miles either way of there after coming to Brum. Jane's maiden name was Phillips, and as far as I can be sure they originated in the Midlands.  May not be in touch for another couple of weeks, but many thanks.

[Jean Birmingham]

1891 RG12; Piece: 2385; Folio 35; Page 17 Birmingham (St Martin) Back of 16 Jennus Row #1
 
John Mills 51 Head of Household born Presteigne: Carpenter
Ellen Mills 49 Wife born Malvern
George Mills 21 son born Birmingham: Moulder
Charlotte Mills 19 dau ditto: Press Worker
John Mills 11 son ditto scholar
William Mills 8 son ditto



Looks like John has gone by the time of the 1901 census:-

1901 RG13; Piece: 2838; Folio: 76; Page: 46 Birmingham (St Martin) 4 Back 16 Jennus Row
 
William Mills 19 Head of Household born Birmingham: Tinner Iron Trade
Jane E Mills 19 Wife ditto: Spoon & Fork polisher
Ellen J Mills 62 WIDOW Mother born Little Malvern
William Mills 1 month son Birmingham

hello mort, because i havn't any recent contact i am not sure whether you got my replies to the information you previously posted to me. i have to confess to being a complete novice, and struggle greatly to get where i want with this chatline! i wanted to thank you for the information you provided, some of which i new. what was new to me was the earlier census info, which i had been unable to find, from that i now know my great, great grandparents names, and their children. i intend to visit the area so i can find out more m many thanks. jean birmingham.