Help: Anderson & Young Longtown

[Boongie Pam]

Hi All,

I'm posting this in the hope that someone can see around my brickwall.  I've been tussling with this one for about 6 months - I know I know a brickwall can stand strong for many years.

I've got references for certs but I know the info is at the Carlisle RO and I will get there in the summer so am holding off buying certs as it will get very costly and is a possible wild goose chase.

Ok to cut to that chase! 

My brickwalls in Longtown are a couple who were earthenware dealers not born in Cumberland (suspicion is Northumberland) called Thomas and Elizabeth ANDERSON

Thanks to Bridget Casson's brilliant Longtown site

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/longtown19/index.html
I found obituries for both Elizabeth, Thomas and their daughter Mary (my direct).

Since they died before 1851 I've no way of finding where they were from.

So I ordered Elizabeth's death cert thinking that all her known (to me) relatives had died so the informant would be of interest and hopefully break my problem. 

She died in 1843 aged 83.

The informant is Robert YOUNG another earthenware dealer.  He seems to have been in the papers a lot sadly for the deaths of his children who had a habit of dying young  .

I presume his wife is an Anderson but can't prove it with out the certs of his kids.

I can't find a marriage for him in Cumberland on Freebmd, he is listed as married in 1871 but no wife in the house.  From the IGI I think Robert's wife is Jane.  If I can confirm she is an ANDERSON and find her on a post 1841 census then I'll know where she and hopefully teh other ANDERSONs came from.

So, does anyone have access to birth records post 1837?

The kids I would like to know the mother's name to are...

YOUNG, Mary Robinson
Qtr:    Dec Year:    1844
Longtown, Cumberland
Volume:    25 Page:    120

Young, Thomas Anderson
Died aged 3 on the 24th Jan 1846 so born in 1842/3 though this may not have been in Longtown 

I know Robert isn't in Longtown in 1841 and 1851 census.

Anyone connected with Andersons or Youngs?

Cheers,
Pam
 

[ThrelfallYorky]

Whilst looking for some of my mining Andersons, I fell over in the 1841 Arthuret Census, living in Netherby Street:
Thomas Anderson 80 Potter     b 1761 ? ( no details given, so probably out of county)
Elizabeth Anderson 80             b 1761 Cumberland
Thomas Anderson  15              b 1821  "  "    "  "
- could these be linked with yours? Hope it's some small amount of help. I know how huge those insurmountable Anderson brick walls can be.

[Boongie Pam]

Hi ThrellfallYorky, can we get a medal for a conversation to take 16 years 😂

Apologies for taking 6 years to answer 😮 for many reasons I’ve dropped my research for quite a while so haven’t logged into my RC account.

To respond though, Thomas and Elizabeth are still very much brick walls. I had the census which gave me the hint they weren’t from Cumberland.

The mystery still stands 😀

[rosie99]

So, does anyone have access to birth records post 1837?

The kids I would like to know the mother's name to are...

YOUNG, Mary Robinson
Qtr:    Dec Year:    1844
Longtown, Cumberland
Volume:    25 Page:    120

From the GRO index 
YOUNG, MARY  ROBINSON     Mothers maiden surname ANDERSON 
GRO Reference: 1844  Dec Quarter in LONGTOWN  Volume 25  Page 120

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp

[softly softly]

And son Thomas

YOUNG, THOMAS  ANDERSON     mother's maiden name ANDERSON 
GRO Reference: 1842  D Quarter in LONGTOWN  Volume 25  Page 113

John

[softly softly]

Quote:

I found obituries for both Elizabeth, Thomas and their daughter Mary (my direct).

Can I ask when and where Mary the daughter was born and when if she is your direct line.

added, can you supply a ref for the 1871 census for Robert Young

John

[Boongie Pam]

Wow hello Johnhood!  And thank you.

Elizabeth & Thomas' daughter Mary Anderson is my 5th Great Grandmother. I do not have records for her birth just the obituary in the newspapers that connect her to Elizabeth as her mother given how close in time they died.

My line is:
Mary Anderson m Thomas Robinson
... Son Thomas Robinson m Margaret Lowther
... Daur Johann/Johnann Lowther m Robert Green
... Daur Margaret Green m Thomas Thomson
... Daur Joan Green Thomson m John Fallon
... Son John Fallon is my grandfather

What is your connection - I'd love to know?

I will dig out my notes for Robert. I remember he was tricky to find at the time.  I was trying to go sideways to confirm the Anderson's home parish and I was drawing a blank with Mary as she died so young. I want to try and trace Thomas Anderson who was 15 and I guess a grandson in the 1841 census as he was not born in Cumberland either. 

The only recent breakthroughs I have had are finding Thomas Robinson moved to Moffat and Dumfries after Mary's death, where he opened a shop for a short period. Then I lose him again! I have seen records connected to his financial sharp practice on his rented warehouse in Brunstock so I can understand why he moved. These were from Carlisle record office in the old days of paper indexes!

I'll be back later this evening. (Not 6 years  promise!)

[Boongie Pam]

So, does anyone have access to birth records post 1837?

The kids I would like to know the mother's name to are...

YOUNG, Mary Robinson
Qtr:    Dec Year:    1844
Longtown, Cumberland
Volume:    25 Page:    120

From the GRO index 
YOUNG, MARY  ROBINSON     Mothers maiden surname ANDERSON 
GRO Reference: 1844  Dec Quarter in LONGTOWN  Volume 25  Page 120

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp

Thank you!

[Boongie Pam]

Published: Tuesday 29 July 1856
Newspaper: Teviotdale Record and Jedburgh Advertiser

Per an advert in the newspaper above, a Robert Young of Longtown opens a China and earthenware dealers in Jedburgh.

The 1871 census may not be him. There is a chap aged 66 in Longtown living with his granddaughter Ann Tait. There is no occupation to give a connection.

I’ve found a parish record for Mary Robinson Young, who sadly died in 1845. It states her mother as Jane. So at least it gives a clue for sideways searches for a Jane Anderson.

Edit… just found him and Jane in Annan in 1861, High St, occupation China Dealer.

YYYYAAAAYYY Brickwalls can fall!

Jane Young died in Annan a few years later in 1863. I finally have Elizabeth Anderson’s maiden name! WILLIAMSON

Happy days!