William Peppitt

[Ladyhawk]

I received Williams birth certificate this morning. He was born 22/02/1859 in the sub district of Shelton, Stoke-on-Trent, William Henry - father John Dorricot, mother Jane Dorricot, formely Pepit.

This doesn't indicate that they were married, however, I am wondering now if they were so will be trying to find out more.

Obviously the many spellings of Dorricot and Peppitt stem from the fact that Jane was illiterate. John is down as being a Furnace Man.

I am still waiting for the marriage certificate of Jane to Job Warren so will let you know what that reveals, hopefully it will be here Monday.

Regards

Jane

Hi Jane,

How exciting and thanks for letting us know it's great news that you have confirmation of William's birth.

Something must have happened within the family for him to revert back to his mother's maiden name of PEPPITT from his marriage in 1882 to Emma BAILEY and not too even acknowledge his father John DORRICOTT  on his marriage certificate.

I have had no luck finding a marriage of John DORRICOTT to Jane PEPIT, as they were living as husband & wife on 1851 census in Wolverhampton, I assume that if they did marry it would be sometime before that, as John was born in Radnorshire and Jane born Montgomeryshire could they have married in Wales - perhaps you could put a separate request for a marriage lookup on Wales board for John DORRICOTT to Jane PEPIT - giving their details of birth place, age, fathers names - you never know someone may be able to help

Perhaps the marriage of Jane PEPPIT to Job WARREN may give you some answers ie. was she a widower or spinster when she married look forward to hearing from you again when you receive the certificate.

Will keep trying to see if I can find a marriage for John & Jane

 

[Evie]

Hi

Excellent news on finding the birth of William Henry, at least our suspicions have been confirmed, thank you for letting us know.

I will also try and find a marriage but as Ladyhawk has had no luck then I very much doubt I will. I agree with Ladyhawk, maybe a specific request on the Wales board may flush out their marriage, peeps may have more resources than we have.

Looking forward to see what her marriage to Job Warren states.

Evie

[Peppitts-Benistons]

Hi again

I have now received Janes marriage certificate, it came in this mornings post, slightly soggy I might add.
It appears that Jane, who is down as being 40, is claiming to be a widow. Her father is Samuel Poppett (obviously another spelling variant), a butcher and Jobs father is Stephen, a labourer.
Jane Pippett 40 widow
Job Warren 38 batchelor
17th June 1872 at St Lukes in the parish of Wellington, Stafford.
Winesses were, I think as the writing is not very clear, Joseph and Louisa Greaves.

I think that there is a chance that John Dorricot died bteween 1861 and 1871 but this does not explain William calling himself Peppitt at his marriage. My theory is that John, for whatever reason, abandoned his family and that is why William has refused to take his name. It does seem odd too the amount of time that Job was lodging at their house. Could this be one of the reasons John left, in which case his mother is not going to tell William the truth so he has been left to think his father abandoned him? I guess we will never know. I would love to find out if John and Jane ever were married too. The early census has them both being born in Wales but neither of them seem to know whereabouts, hence the Nk on the forms. Later on Jane claims to have been born at IronBridge, Shropshire which makes me wonder if she actually did not want to be found?

The plot thickens

Jane

[Evie]

Thanks for the update Jane

Will try and see who the witnesses were.

Strange that she is a widow yet marrying under the name Pippett and yet father down as Samuel Poppett. You would think if they got the spelling correct on Jane's name then her father's would be the same. I wonder if we are missing something here.

Gosh what a complicated affair

Evie

[Peppitts-Benistons]

I have had another look and I think the witnesses were Joseph and Lavinia Greaves - I believe Lavinia was Lavinia French prior to her marriage. I have found a Joseph Greaves born c1834 in Staffs, which would make him about the same age as Job. Just a thought of course.

The spelling of Janes fathers surname also has me confused. The writing is not clear but it actually looks like Popper.

This is one mystery I would so like to solve now

[Peppitts-Benistons]

I have had another go at finding Jane, working on the theory that her fathers name on the marriage certificate is Poppet as thats what it looks like on closer inspection.

I have found a Jane Poppet baptised on 13/03/1828 on Church Stoke, Montgomery, Wales, father Samuel Poppet, mother Martha. As peoples ages were sometimes rounded down by 5 years if they were unsure I think this puts her at the right age.

However, no marriage, either in England or Wales, for a Poppet/Darricot or any variation.

What do you think?

[Evie]

Hi

Yes I saw that baptism too. Usually on the 1841 persons over the age of 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 but those under 15 were listed as reported

Had a look at the 1841 census and living in Church Stoke is Samuel Poppett, 1781, John, 1816 and Jane 1831. Samuel was a butcher.

In 1851 John states as being born Church Stoke, 1811 (if it is the correct one) and is a butcher, I think Samuel may have died as I cannot see him. So I think the Jane that was with them is probably yours. It is interesting that John remains a Poppett throughout 1861 and 1871

Still strange however that there is no marriage to be found under any variation of the surname

Evie

[Peppitts-Benistons]

Hi Evie

I had a look at the 1841 Wales census but can only see Samuel Poppett, an Agriculural Labourer, no Jane or John. I viewed this on Ancestry and the 2nd page appears to be blank, I wonder if there is a problem with this site?

I also looked for a John Poppett, c1816 and couldn't find him either.

Samuel Poppett does get a mention in 1810 and 1822 though, once for horse-stealing and once for sheep-stealing - not guilty both times but still, a bit of a rogue by the sounds of it. I also found 2 deaths for Samuel, one 1843 and one 1845 so I think he probably did die around then. However,he isn't listed as deceased on Janes marriage certificate.

This gets stranger and stranger doesn't it?

[Evie]

Hi jane

This is the reference you want for 1841. Samuel is Saml

HO107, Piece 1439, Book 1, Folio 25, Page 15     
 
Possibly the Samuel you saw for sheep stealing is the one you found in the census, as he was a labourer

I will get the link for you shortly

Evie