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Shaw Family near Giants Causeway & Belfast connection
« on: Wednesday 18 August 10 01:01 BST (UK) »
Can anyone find a connection between Shaws & Grays or Shaws & Millers?

I'm trying to unravel a small note left by my Mother's researches in the early 1990's.  This relates to her Father's Gray/Miller Family.

The Note said: Dad (William Gray born 1907 Coatbridge Lanark) visited cousins called Shaw that had a farm (may have been called "Greenbanks" or something similar) it was near the Giants Causeway - they bred Trotting Ponies- a further comment says not sure whether related to Gray or Miller side of the Family. 

The timing of the visit must have been around 1911/13 as there is also a note that he a small boy wearing his kilt, and he had wandered off, they found him sitting on a post box watching the fighting - (this may have been in Belfast?).

William's father was Alexander Gray (born 1871 in Machester Eng)

Alexander's Father was William Gray - born 1837 Ireland (place unknown)  & Mother was Mary Miller - born 1842 Belfast.  William & Mary married in Manchester in 1868.  William's Father was shown as William Gray (Farmer) & Mother Helen Gray - (perhaps this was the Farming/Horse Breeding connection).  Mary Miller's Father was shown as Joseph Miller (StoneMason) Mother Mary Boyd.

In the notes also was reference to a Daisy & Katie Shaw (Mum was unsure whether Aunts or cousins)  Daisy & a sister Helen ended up in Canada and have traced them back to a family living at Northbrook St Windsor Belfast in 1911 - Head of Household Robert Shaw - Tailor (born c. 1863) Wife Annie Helena ( born c. 1864) total of 11 children.  1901 Census shows them as living at Tate Street, Windsor Belfast - It also show that Robert the Father was born in Ballymena.  I also have some evidence from my Mum's cousin (now in Canada) of Addresses for some of the children then grown up (poss c 1940/50s) from her Mother's diary whilst she was living in Coatbridge Scotland.

I also have found another family of Shaws James & Wife Annie who are living in Ballymagarry (which I believe to be on the outskirts of Belfast) with a family of 8 children (I think Births registered in Coleraine Dist c 1885-1889).  James is a Farmer born c. 1859 and has his Mother Rebecca Shaw aged 79 living with them.  By 1911 the family have moved to Urbalreagh (Nr Portrush) they attend Ballywatt Pres. Church & have added 2 more children to the family - one is possibly named Alfred Gray Shaw (birth Jan-March 1902 Ballymoney Dist).  This family have one daughter named as Tillie (suspect real name Matilda).

So I'm wondering if there is any connection between James Shaw (Farmer) born c. 1859 and Robert Shaw (Tailor) born c. 1863 ? and this is how somehow the families are linked????

Just in case anyone reading this thinks they may recognise Robert Shaw's family - one of his daughters was always referred to as "Tottie" Shaw married name have been Tullen or similar sounding name (can't read handwriting) and she still lived on Northbrook Street Lisburn Rd Belfast.

I would be so grateful if anyone has any kind of connection to any of these families or has any local information that may help to try and unravel all these threads of information.

I'm coming over to Northern Ireland in late September and would love to try and sort the mystery of this farm out, especially as my Husband wants to visit Giant's Causeway and it seems to good an opportunity to miss!!

My apologies for being so long winded, but tried to get as much information down as possible........Thanks for staying with it too the end!!

Hope to hear from someone soon.......................

Lynn


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Re: Shaw Family near Giants Causeway & Belfast connection
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 08:30 BST (UK) »
Ballymagarry is near Portrush, not Belfast, and Coleraine would be the registration district.
Here's James Shaw's family in 1901 census in case anyone wants to see the details-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portrush_Rural/Ballymagarry/943726/
Here they are in 1911 with some mistakes on transcription page-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Portrush_Rural/Urbalreagh/130818/
Wife is Annie not 'Jennie' and 'Annis McShaw Shaw' is Annie M. Shaw (Shaw written in twice)- see scanned image. There's actually one 1 more child belonging to James and Annie (Alfred G.)- Mima M. Irvin is listed as 'relative' and might only been with them on census night. There are, however, children not listed in 1901- Annie and Rachel.

Wonder if this is the same James-
"Probate of the Will of James Shaw late of Urblereagh Portrush County Antrim Farmer who died 14 November 1914 granted at Belfast to Samuel Sloan Tramway Inspector and Robert Stinson National School Teacher. " Granted 17/5/1915. Effects £478 2s. 7d.
See PRONI website www.proni.gov.uk
Unfortunately PRONI will be closed by the time you get here so you won't be able to look at the Will.
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Re: Shaw Family near Giants Causeway & Belfast connection
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 February 14 18:30 GMT (UK) »
I have a family link to William Gray living at Northbrook St, Belfast in the 1911 Census. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor/Northbrook_Street/154246/ William was my great grandfather.  I also found the family on the 1901 census, however I have William's wife as Elizabeth, who I think was Elizabeth Boomer but I still have to confirm this.  Do you think this is the same family you are looking for?
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Re: Shaw Family near Giants Causeway & Belfast connection
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 22 August 18 23:29 BST (UK) »
Hello Lynne
I have seen your message re the Shaw family and I am also researching the same Robert and Annie Helena Shaw (nee Gordon), and their children, of 107 Northbrook Street, and in particular their daughter Florence Shaw. If you are able to shed any light on Robert and Annie's children that would Thank you


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Re: Shaw Family near Giants Causeway & Belfast connection
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 22 August 18 23:58 BST (UK) »
Re. Robert and Annie Helena Shaw of 107 Northbrook Street...

Daughter Ethel Shaw's marriage in 1916:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09775/5548237.pdf

Daughter Ethel (Shaw) Smyth's death in 1921:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05092/4398126.pdf

Belfast News-Letter, 25 August 1921: Smyth - At her parents residence, 107, Northbrook Street, Lisburn Road, Ethel, dearly-beloved wife of Albert A. Smyth (87, Ormeau Road), and second daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Robert Shaw.  Her remains will be removed from above address for interment in City Cemetery to-day, at 2.30 p.m. Deeply regretted. ALBERT A. SMYTH.

Ethel (Shaw) Smyth's Grave:
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=H&GraveNumber=77&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension

Daughter Maud Shaw's marriage in 1913:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09869/5585030.pdf

Northern Whig, 28 September 1914: BELFAST MOTOR ACCIDENT. Last night Gordon Shaw, aged 20, of 107, Northbrook Street, was admitted to the Royal Victoria Hospital suffering from serious injuries to the head through having been knocked down by a motor car on the Lisburn Road.  He was detained in hospital.


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Re: Shaw Family near Giants Causeway & Belfast connection
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 August 18 00:23 BST (UK) »
Northern Whig, 3 September 1949: SHAW - September 1, 1949, at his residence, 107, Northbrook Street, Robert, dearly beloved husband of Annie H. Shaw.  Funeral to-day (Saturday), at 2.30 p.m., to Ballylesson Churchyard.  House private.  No flowers, by request. Deeply regretted by his sorrowing Wife and Family.

Northern Whig, 11 January 1951: SHAW - January 9, 1951, at her residence, 107, Northbrook Street, Annie Helena, widow of Robert Shaw.  Funeral to-day (Thursday), at 2 p.m., to family burying-ground, Ballylesson Churchyard. Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Family.

Marriage of Robert Shaw and Annie Helena Gordon in 1887:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10799/5938465.pdf



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Re: Shaw Family near Giants Causeway & Belfast connection
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 23 August 18 02:40 BST (UK) »
Looks possible that the parents of Robert Shaw might have been Hamilton Shaw and Mary Ann McCord ...

Robert's record of marriage to Annie Helena Gordon in 1887 gave his address as 42 Devonshire Street Belfast, his father given as Hamilton Shaw.  From the 1890 Belfast Street Directory for Devonshire Street:
42. Shaw, Hamilton, gardener
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/dcomplete1890.htm

Death of Hamilton Shaw:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05901/4674431.pdf

Shaws of Devonshire Street in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Falls/Devonshire_Street/951161/

Death of Mary Ann Shaw:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05705/4609226.pdf

Birth of Hamilton Shaw junior, mother Mary Ann McCord:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03598/2326843.pdf

Marriage of Hamilton Shaw junior:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10496/5822480.pdf

Hamilton Shaw senior of Drumbare townland married Mary Ann McCord of Carnbeg townland in Clough Presbyterian Church on 19 June 1849, Hamilton's father was John Shaw, a miller, Mary Ann's father was Samuel McCord, a weaver.


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Re: Shaw Family near Giants Causeway & Belfast connection
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 23 August 18 10:53 BST (UK) »
1960 Belfast directory- Kathleen Shaw listed at 107 Northbrook St.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/nopcomplete1960.htm

Robert Shaw (c1863 Ballymena?-1949), tailor, m.(1887) Annie Helena Gordon (c1864-1951)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Windsor/Tates_Avenue/966649
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor/Northbrook_Street/154256
1. Maud Shaw (c1889) m.(1913)
2. Ethel Shaw (c1890-1921), 2nd dau., m.(1916) Albert A. Smith
3. Hamilton Shaw (13 July 1891-aft.1911) butcher?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02381/1888517.pdf
4. Robert Gordon Shaw (c1894-aft.1911)
5. Helen Shaw (c1896-aft.1911)
6. Herbert Shaw (13 Dec.1896-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02142/1813367.pdf
7. Florence? Shaw- likely Flora (c1899-aft.1911)
8. Elizabeth Shaw (14 Dec.1899-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02011/1772494.pdf
9. Beatrice Shaw (11 Jan.1904-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01842/1718710.pdf
10. Norah Shaw (15 May 1905-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01787/1701797.pdf
11. Kathleen Shaw (28 Aug.1907-aft.1960)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01689/1671250.pdf
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