Fred Roy look up request please

[lizzii]

Hi All

I'm having trouble locating any USA information for Fred Roy, born between 1851 and 1856 (his age varies on all his UK census forms. According to his marriage certificate he would have been born 1855 or 1856)
He states on his marriage certificate that his father was also Fred Roy with occupation Decorator.
He states on the census forms that he was from Baltimore USA, but doesn't give which state.
I can't find him prior to 1881 in the UK, so assume he was in the US.
I am also unable to find him on any passenger lists.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Liz

[*Sandra*]

New York Passenger List

Name: Fred Roy Born about 1858 England Aged 6
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland to New York on SS St Andrew. Arriving 6 May 1864
Travelling steerage with L Roy (Labour) Father
Eliz Roy 30 Wife and Mother

Unfortunately the UK Incoming Passenger lists do not start until 1878 so it leaves a small time-frame to search. 

[lizzii]

Hi Sandra

So do you think he was born in UK and then went to US as a small child and then returned to UK?
I hadn't considered that, but is something I need to look in to.

I'm concerned that from your info father is L Roy, as Fred stated on his marriage certificate that his father was Fred also.

Thank you for your help
Liz

[*Sandra*]

That could be a possibilty - if you send me a personal message with your e-mail address - can forward passenger list for you to view. 

[lizzii]

Hi Sandra

Thank you for that - it's an avenue I will definitely pursue now

Liz

[*Sandra*]

Hello Liz.

Did the marriage certificate give the Mother's name as well ?

Sandra

[lizzii]

No Sandra, unfortunately not   

[jorose]

It is possible that he gave his father's name as the same as his own because he wasn't aware of it (either his father died when he was young or he was illegitimate, etc).  If his mother remarried he might be under a stepfather's surname in censuses.

At his marriage, who were the witnesses?
In later censuses, does he say whether or not he's a British subject?

[lizzii]

Hi

At his marriage the witnesses were James and Eliza Kirby.
I think I have found them - a brother and sister around Eliza's (his wife) age.

Anything is possible regarding his family, nobody seems to have the slightest inkling other than he was American.

He only ever stated that he was from Baltimore USA.
On the 1911 census he put nationality American, but never stated if Naturalised (which is an option).
I have checked the naturalisation records and can't find anything.

I think it's just going to remain a mystery.

Liz