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Edmund Whit(t)aker & Margaret Donough
« on: Tuesday 24 August 10 14:02 BST (UK) »
Hi All,
I have searched far and wide on this one and could do with some help please. I am looking for information on Edmund Whit(t)aker and his wife? :-\Margaret Donough. edmund was born abt 1798 to James and Ann Whit(t)aker nee Lord in Newchurch -Bacup area. Edmund joined the military and it looks like he hooked up with Margaret in Dublin - most of their kids were born in Ireland. I can only find one birth record and the only evidence that Margaret's maiden name was Donough. A search for the only other child born in the UK has proved fruitless in spite of the best efforts of the guys in the lancashire records office. According to Edmund's military record he was quite ill when he left the army and I can trace he and Margaret until the 1851 census but after that I loose them. Because freebdm doesn't have ages at death for the records I can find for all Edmund Whit(t)akers who died in Haslingden or surrounds I'm still hunting around in the dark with this. It looks like Edmund & Margaret's son Edmund married in either Oldham in either 1854 or 1860 so they may have all moved there.
If anyone has come across this family or can give me some advice on where else I might look that would be great.
Cheers
Tilly Ann :)
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Re: Edmund Whit(t)aker & Margaret Donough
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 24 August 10 17:09 BST (UK) »
Hi
Is this Edmund junior
1861 RG09 3017/ 5/ 3
Hondurus st Oldham
Edmund Whittaker b 1835 journeyman tailor b Ireland
catherine Whittaker wife b 1838 Tailoress b Ireland
Edmund Whittaker=m= Catherine Murphy 4th qtr 1860 vol 8d page 1033
this is a good match for age and occupation
I know you are trying to find his father ? died or not but if all else fails you could get marriage certificate it may say father deseased you would know for sure that he has died between 1851 and 1860.
I also found James and John together
1861 census Rg09 3062/125/12
Not sure if this is of any help
cheers cardiff ???
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Re: Edmund Whit(t)aker & Margaret Donough
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 August 10 10:42 BST (UK) »
Tilly Ann - have you tried matching deaths of FreeBMD with those on LancashireBMD? I did a quick check on Edmund Whit(t)aker deaths in the 1850s & all had ages at death on the latter site. It isn't complete, but may enable you to eliminate some of the "possibles" thrown up by FreeBMD.
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

LancsOPC site is growing fast so worth re-checking regularly, even if you've drawn a blank before:
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

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Re: Edmund Whit(t)aker & Margaret Donough
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 August 10 10:59 BST (UK) »
Thankyou so much for the replies.
I have a copy of edmund & catherine's marriage certificate and it does have a line next to Edmund Senior's name so it appears he had died by 1860. His military record certainly indicates that he was very ill when he was discharged from the army about 8 years earlier.
 I am confused about where Edmund senior died which does complicate things but I'm pretty confident that I am looking at an 8 year timeframe.
I was interested in knowing about John & James being on the 1861 census together. This I haven't seen. John Munn was very close to his brother Edmund and later census data reflects this. Either Margaret remarried and that is why i can't find her or she died too.
I will keep investigating the websites suggested and perhaps something will turn up.
My very best wishes
Tilly Ann ;)
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Re: Edmund Whit(t)aker & Margaret Donough
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 August 10 19:36 BST (UK) »
I also found James and John together
1861 census Rg09 3062/125/12
Not sure if this is of any help
cheers cardiff ???

Hi cardiff,
The only James and John that I can see at that reference are a father and son. :-\ Is that the right reference?
cheers
heywood
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Re: Edmund Whit(t)aker & Margaret Donough
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 August 10 20:10 BST (UK) »
Hi
mmm... I see what you mean maybe I got it wrong. I have not kept info already shredded.
Sorry guys :P
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Re: Edmund Whit(t)aker & Margaret Donough
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 August 10 20:15 BST (UK) »
Perhaps you just saw the two names in the index and thought  :) as we do!

I am searching like mad for the other members of the family with little success.
Tilly Ann says that Edmund and John Munn are close to each other as later censuses show- can't find that either!
John Munn Whittaker joins up so perhaps he is already on his way in 1861 but young James should be somewhere.

I am looking for others to try to see if Margaret survives/remarries - but nothing very obvious.
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Re: Edmund Whit(t)aker & Margaret Donough
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 25 August 10 20:47 BST (UK) »
Were the family in Bacup in 1841?
and if so what was the occupation of Edmund at that time


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Re: Edmund Whit(t)aker & Margaret Donough
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 25 August 10 21:41 BST (UK) »
I have found a family in Bacup in 1841 with the children
James (16)
Margaret Ann (9)
Edmund (6)
Elizabeth (2)

All born Ireland except for Edmund Senior.

A Baptism took place at Tunstead in 1844 of John Munn Whittaker on the 22nd September child of Edmund Whittaker & Margaret. Edmunds Occupation was given as Tailor.

The place of abode was listed as Nunn Mills

On the 20th April 1847 a James Whitaker on Nunn Mills was buried at Newchurch Parish Church aged 21 - no relatives given.

In the Blackburn Standard Newspaper for October 1852 there is a death notice for Edmund Whitaker aged 53 but that states (Surgeon) afterwards.

The burials for Newchurch are not on line but I would check if there is a burial there at that date and see if that gives anymore information on address etc.

I can't find any other Edmund Whitaker (Surgeon) in the Bacup/Newchurch area at that time. I will also try and find out what dates the newspapers in the area started which are not on line and see if there are any obits in those.