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CWGC - H.M. Submarine Odin
« on: Monday 06 September 10 17:28 BST (UK) »
H.M. Submarine Odin was sunk in the Gulf of Taranto by Italian destroyers Strale and Baleno on 14 June 1940. All of the crew died in the sinking.

Bearing in mind the entire crew died on 14 June 1940 why does the CWGC give their date of death as 27 June 1940?

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Re: CWGC - H.M. Submarine Odin
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 September 10 23:36 BST (UK) »
I suspect that the date of death given by the CWGC is the date that the submarine was finally posted as missing.
There is little doubt that HMS ODIN was lost on June/14/1940.
Send CWGC an email and see what they have to say.
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Re: CWGC - H.M. Submarine Odin
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 07 September 10 10:12 BST (UK) »
I suspect that the date of death given by the CWGC is the date that the submarine was finally posted as missing.
There is little doubt that HMS ODIN was lost on June/14/1940.
Send CWGC an email and see what they have to say.

Hi seaweed,

Your suggestion may be correct.

The Times did not report the loss of the submarine until 12 August 1940:

'H.M.S. Odin Presumed Lost - Submarine Overdue

The Secretary of the Admiralty regrets to announce that H.M. submarine Odin ...... is considerably overdue and must be presumed lost. The next-of-kin have been informed. ......'


The issue is, therefore, one of whether the dates of death should or can be corrected to reflect subsequent information that the crew died on 14 June 1940. Does anyone know whether this is possible?

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Norfolk - Alcock, Bowen, Bowers, Breeze, Burton, Creamer, Hammond, Sparkes, Wakefield, Wiggett
North Devon - Burgess, Chalacombe, Collacott, Goss
Northamptonshire - George, Letts, Muscutt, Richardson
Somerset - Barber
Wiltshire - Brine, Burges, Carey, Gray, Lywood, Musselwhite, Perris, Read, Turner, Wilkins

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Re: CWGC - H.M. Submarine Odin
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 07 September 10 10:17 BST (UK) »
Nigel, seaweed's suggestion about contacting CWGC is a good one !

They are open to discussions like this, although sometimes it takes them an age to respond  ;)

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Re: CWGC - H.M. Submarine Odin
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 07 September 10 10:46 BST (UK) »
You also have the advantage of precedence - three of the casualties are already listed as having died on the 14th:

EDWARDS    D/KX 80520
KAVANAGH P/KX 83094
ROBSON    C/JX 146536

So the CWGC may well be willing to change the rest of the crew.

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Re: CWGC - H.M. Submarine Odin
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 March 19 00:52 GMT (UK) »
Just wondered whether the cwgc were contacted about this??????? My grandfather, E.G chaplain stoker on the odin. The letter too my nan, said he was missing in action from the 27th June 1940. That's when it was officially lost.
My heart went over, at the above paragraph, 'next of kin informed'.

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Re: CWGC - H.M. Submarine Odin
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 16 March 19 21:07 GMT (UK) »
As  far as I can tell. No. Your Grandfather is recorded by CWGC as having died on 27/June/1940.
Perhaps you should take up this issue with them.
https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead/amending-records

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