Ottaway family of Tenterden, Kent

[avm228]

Amos’ birthplace is given as Rolvenden in the 1861 census when he is aged 2.

I see that Charlotte did not marry George Edward Amos - his bride was a Charlotte Matilda Ottaway, daughter of Thomas Ottaway, aged 18 at the time of her marriage in Challock in April 1876.

[Ladyhawk]

Good afternoon
I am researching the family of Ann George b 1818 Tenterden whom I believe married Alfred Ottaway in 1839 Tenterden.

They had a lot of children but I am struggling on a couple of things:

 Daughter Charlotte b 1838 (illegitimate) - did she marry George Edward Amos and, if so, why cannot I find any census details for them?

 Grandson Amos Ottaway b 1858 appears on census 1861 but who are his parents?

OTTAWAY, CHARLOTTE  OTTAWAY  No mother's maiden name GRO indexes
1838  S Quarter in TENTERDEN UNION  Volume 05  Page 388   

Might this be Charlotte Ottaway 

William Goodman 34
Charlotte wife  34 Tenterden, Kent
Herbert son 11
1871  RG10; Piece: 777; Folio: 27; Page: 5

William Goodman 44
Charlotte 44 Tenterden, Kent
Herbert grandson 1
1881 RG11; Piece: 744; Folio: 65; Page: 3

Charlotte Goodman wid. age 48 Tenterden, Kent general servant
Head of houshold Job Betsworth
1891 Piece:1265 Folio: 51  Linslade, Buckinghamshire

1861c  William Goodman 24 is with his parents William & Rebecca
1861c Charlottle Ottaway 22 with her mother Ann & 5 siblings and Amos age 2 grandson

I can't see a marriage of a William Goodman to Charlotte Ottaway on FreeBMD 

There this birth entry on FreeBMD

Jun 1859 Tenterden   2a   476
Herbert OTTAWAY     

There's this marriage entry

Herbert Amos Goodman age 19 (1860) father William Carpenter
to Jane Dunger on 23 Feb 1879 at St Thomas, Charlton, Greenwich, England

and there's this death entry

Charlotte Goodman age 62
1901 Jul-Aug-Sep Blean Kent Volume:   2a Page:   551

EDIT ~ this entry might relate to the death of Charlotte Goodman above

Blean Union Workhouse
Charlotte Goodman age 62 Tenterden, KentPauper Widow
1901 RG13; Piece: 797; Folio: 77; Page: 2

   

[nannamilli]

As far as I can see there is no connection - Charlotte  Ottaway is noted on all the Death Certificates for consumptive family members as being present at their deaths.

It is possible that the entries that you have for Amos are correct - that indicates that Charlotte was also in the Tenterden Workhouse with her sister Ann and they both had children there.

So thank you for that but I have always felt that Charlotte must have contracted the disease and probably went back into the Workhouse or an Asylum, but unfortunately, they only list residents with initials.

This family was typical of a lot of illiterates, who were also struck down with the poor man's disease - consumption - T.B. to today's ears.

Alfred himself was illegitimate and brought up 'on the Parish'. And his mother Elizabeth Ottaway was abandoned into the Workhouse at the age of 8 yrs with her sister Hannah aged 4yrs. I have pathetic notes from the Parish with regard to these two young girls.

Apologies for quoting Woodchurch earlier with regard to Amos, but I had got the info from Woodchurch Family History, and it has been many years since I went into my Ottaway family.

Judy

[avm228]

Ladyhawk’s findings look very promising to me - certainly worth investigating further.  The 1859 certificate for Herbert Ottoway could be very revealing.

If there are later death records showing the informant as Charlotte Ottoway (you don’t give dates) that could be simply because she never actually married Mr Goodman and did not consistently use his name.

I’m not sure what the evidence is for Charlotte having been in a workhouse?  Tenterden was the registration district for the wider area.

[Ladyhawk]

Ladyhawk’s findings look very promising to me - certainly worth investigating further. 

The 1859 certificate for Herbert Ottoway could be very revealing.

for info.  nannamilli sent me a pm saying she will investigate the Goodman's  and
the Herbert  referred to was Herbert her g. grandfather's brother and one of those in the bulk christening in 1860.

[nannamilli]

Ladyhawk,

You quoted the reference for Charlotte as being 'TENTERDEN UNION' - that was the workhouse. Tenterden was always quoted as TENTERDEN.

I will get that Certificate as Charlotte was christened in St Mildred's as CHARLOTTE GEORGE which was accurate as her mother was unmarried.When the Census records were compiled they would have been asked the names of their children and as they were illiterate they could not correct records. It is possible that that would have happened at the Registration, also.

I will check the Goodman connection, but unfortunately, your British Certificates don't state names of parents - ours here in OZ  give names of Parents as well as names of all children.

Judy

[avm228]

Tenterden Union is just how the GRO Online site denotes the Tenterden district.  It is just an index reference and doesn’t tell you any more than that the birth was registered in that district (obviously the certificate would tell you more).

[JohninSussex]

The notation UNION is short for "Poor Law Union" which was a sort of local authority often a grouping of parishes.  And yes it would have been the union that was responsible for the workhouse, among other functions.  The GRO online site seems to often include the word UNION with the name of the registration district for the first few years after registration started in 1837.

[nannamilli]

ster.

Judy Leslie