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Offline kellysmith1976

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1841 - Problem?
« on: Saturday 18 September 10 17:36 BST (UK) »
Hi I am looking to see whether this is my ancester..
Sarah Bates aged 50, Whitechapel

 Class: HO107; Piece 716; Book: 9

What does it say for her profession?.. It looks a bit like JID ? .. Poss Wid?... Not sure whether she was a widow then?

I am also presuming that the couple they are living with was her daughter Elizabeth,

Thanks in advance
ELLMER - Yorkshire to Strood, Kent
ROGERS - Rochester, Kent
CARDER - Rye to Rochester, Kent
KEMP - Hawkhurst - Rochester, Kent
THOMAS - Chatham, Kent
RHODES - Rye
WOOLLEY - Milton to Rochester
STANLEY - Whitechapel
LOUGHAN - Ireland
BURNET - Essex
SWEATMAN - Kent
BECK - Chatham
BLACK - Rochester
WICKER - Strood
KING - Middlesex - Strood
CROUCH - Headcorn
HICKMOTT - Lamberhurst
BATES - Strood
WELFARE - Sussex - Strood

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Re: 1841 - Problem?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 18 September 10 17:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Kelly,

It says F.S. = female servant

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Re: 1841 - Problem?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 18 September 10 17:45 BST (UK) »
oooh Thank you for that...

Well i dont know if its my lady!.. I cant find a marriage for the daughter.. and i dont know if she would have been classed as a servant...

Thanks anyway!
ELLMER - Yorkshire to Strood, Kent
ROGERS - Rochester, Kent
CARDER - Rye to Rochester, Kent
KEMP - Hawkhurst - Rochester, Kent
THOMAS - Chatham, Kent
RHODES - Rye
WOOLLEY - Milton to Rochester
STANLEY - Whitechapel
LOUGHAN - Ireland
BURNET - Essex
SWEATMAN - Kent
BECK - Chatham
BLACK - Rochester
WICKER - Strood
KING - Middlesex - Strood
CROUCH - Headcorn
HICKMOTT - Lamberhurst
BATES - Strood
WELFARE - Sussex - Strood

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Re: 1841 - Problem?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 18 September 10 17:50 BST (UK) »
There is another 50 year old Sarah Bates living in Whitechapel with her husband James Bates a silk? weaver


HO107 piece 710 folio 15/11 page 14
Best wishes, Judy :-))


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Re: 1841 - Problem?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 18 September 10 18:01 BST (UK) »
My Sarah Greenaway was married in 1812 to Richard Bates...
I have no direct date of birth for them, Only going on when they married, and where their children were baptised..
Which was Holy Trinity, Clapham, Surrey Between 1813 - 1822..
Their baptisms are on ancestry and it states their abode was Brixton til the last baby, In ST. Leonard Streatham..
 
And i do apologise, i get all the boroughs mixed up, I cant seem to tell the difference between Middlesex, London & Surrey... Some census say either!
ELLMER - Yorkshire to Strood, Kent
ROGERS - Rochester, Kent
CARDER - Rye to Rochester, Kent
KEMP - Hawkhurst - Rochester, Kent
THOMAS - Chatham, Kent
RHODES - Rye
WOOLLEY - Milton to Rochester
STANLEY - Whitechapel
LOUGHAN - Ireland
BURNET - Essex
SWEATMAN - Kent
BECK - Chatham
BLACK - Rochester
WICKER - Strood
KING - Middlesex - Strood
CROUCH - Headcorn
HICKMOTT - Lamberhurst
BATES - Strood
WELFARE - Sussex - Strood

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Re: 1841 - Problem?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 18 September 10 18:37 BST (UK) »
Hi

It might be good to try and locate the children in the 1841751 census and see if that helps at all.

Had they all married by then?
Rose (Black Country),Downs (Black Country),Wolloxall (any and all),Bark (Derbyshire),Wright (Derbyshire),Marsden (Derbyshire), Wallace (Black Country)

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Re: 1841 - Problem?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 10 November 10 12:40 GMT (UK) »
Just a word of advice re the 1841 census

The 1841 census was the first census to be taken in the format that we recognise today (albeit in a very shortened information version).  When this census was taken many people were very suspicious, believing that it was a new way for the government to find out more about them for taxation purposes.  The result if this suspicion is that many people are just not on there.  By the time of the 1851 census it had become obvious that all it was was a population count and most of the country obliged by assisting the the completion of this census.

I know from experience that I have been unable to find quite a few of my ancestors on the 1841, but they all appear on the 1851 census.

So do not be to concerned if you cannot find someone on the 1841 census, they may just have been one of those suspicious types who did not participate.
Fleming (Bristol) Fowler/Brain (Battersea/Bristol)    Simpson (Fulham/Clapham)  Harrison (W.London, Fulham, Clapham)  Earl & Butler  (Dublin,New Ross: Ireland)  Humphrey (All over mainly London) Hill (Reigate, Bletchingly, Redhill: Surrey)
Sell (Herts/Essex/W. London)