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Sands Directory equivalent in Melbourne?
« on: Saturday 25 September 10 05:26 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I have my husband's g.g.grandfather's death certificate and I am trying to find out if there is anything in Melbourne like the Sand's Directory that Sydney has. Or are the electoral rolls available to search?

His name was Joseph Dobson and he died 15th Dec 1898, "Spring Street, Albert Ward, East Melbourne, County of Bourke, Melbourne". If he died at home, I'm wondering how I can find out what number Spring St he lived at. We're going to Melbourne in a couple of weeks, and would like to check it out if I can find it.

Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks.

Tracey.

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Re: Sands Directory equivalent in Melbourne?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 September 10 06:40 BST (UK) »
Sands & McDougall directories would possibly help you locate your man however I found the following

Victorian Post office Directory 1888
DOBSON Joseph  23 Surrey Road, South Yarra.

What was Joseph's occupation?  He may be listed in the trade section.  No everyone was listed in these directories and many were listed with the initial of their given name.  There is this entry but no way of knowing if it is your man.

S & M  1898
DOBSON Joseph 38 Albert Street, East Melbourne.

In 1898 there were private hospitals at 13 and 49 Spring Street, Melbourne

Are the initials UR [usual residence] or NR [normal residence] in the first column of the death certificate?  You have written he died at Spring Street, Albert Ward, East Melbourne, County of Bourke, Melbourne.  Is is possible that Melbourne is his usual residence?  Usually Colony of Victoria is the only description that follows County of Bourke.     

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Re: Sands Directory equivalent in Melbourne?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 September 10 08:24 BST (UK) »
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=54
Will & Probate for Joseph Dobson who died 15th Dec 1898,
his residence is stated as Bontherambo, (that would be in Kelly country, Nth Victoria)

Joseph DOBSON, died 1898, Melbourne East, father Joseph DOBSON, mother Annie UNKNOWN. (reg no. 17375) age 68 years.
Born circa 1830.


There was a Joseph Dobson, carpenter and builder, off 9 Little Collins street east (Butler and Brooke's National Directory of Victoria 1866-7)
and
J. Dobson., Builder, Darby alley, (Little Collins Street)
(Bailiere's Post Office Directory of Vic 1869).

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Re: Sands Directory equivalent in Melbourne?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 September 10 10:41 BST (UK) »

1862 Melbourne Directory (Sands)

Trades &C

p336

Dobson Joseph 20 Little Collins St East, and 103 Queensbury-Street West Hot

West Hot is probably West Hotham

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Re: Sands Directory equivalent in Melbourne?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 25 September 10 10:54 BST (UK) »

1875 Melbourne Directory (Sands)

Dob   ALPHABETICAL   Dom p451

Dobson Joseph, 9 Lit Collins-st east; p.r. 103 Queensbury-st Hot

there are 22 persons with the Dobson surnames in this diectory.

Gerry

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Re: Sands Directory equivalent in Melbourne?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 25 September 10 11:12 BST (UK) »
Will & Probate for Joseph Dobson who died 15th Dec 1898,
his residence is stated as Bontherambo, (that would be in Kelly country, Nth Victoria)
  LOGAN


Bontharambo was not really a mapped location in Victoria, but an estate.
 
Note --There are spelling variations :)

It was owned and built by  Joseph Docker who later bought a large tract of Richmond (suburb of Melbourne) which he subdivided and sold thus further building his personal wealth. He was  well respected in his time for his cordial relationships with the Aboriginal people.

Not far from where I live ,in Richmond, is Bontherambo Street which he named after his country estate

Rather than giving links for you to explore, I suggest you search using the obvious keywords.  You will see good images of the wonderful home and its history in Wangaratta, Victoria.

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Re: Sands Directory equivalent in Melbourne?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 September 10 12:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions.

Joseph was listed as a labourer on his death certificate, he was the son of Joseph Dobson who was a landowner in Westmorland, England. On the 1851 UK census he is listed as a 20 year old 'farm son'. The younger Joseph brought his family to Victoria in 1862.

His death certificate is hard to read, as many of them are, part of the problem is a large amount of information squeezed into the alloted area. I don't know how much of it I'm allowed to post here to show you. There is some sort of notation in the first column, looks like 2 letters and the 2nd one could be 'R'.

His first wife died in Docker's Plains which is apparently near Wangaratta. The informants were not family members for either of them.  The 4 other entries on the page were all deaths in hospital, so I guess it's possible he died in hospital, although 'hospital' is not written on the certificate.

I might just go for a walk up Spring St anyway.......

Thanks again,
Tracey.

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Re: Sands Directory equivalent in Melbourne?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 September 10 12:23 BST (UK) »
Just looked at the Probate and he was listed as 'gent'.

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Re: Sands Directory equivalent in Melbourne?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 September 10 13:03 BST (UK) »
Hi,


His first wife died in Docker's Plains which is apparently near Wangaratta. LACEYTREIGH

http://www.whereis.com/vic/dockers-plains#session=MTA=


As you will see if you explore the regions I have suggested in  reply #5, DOCKERS PLAINS near Wangaratta ,was also a place named after Joseph DOCKER.

It suggests the Will and Probate  document  is for  Joseph Dobson (d .15/12/1898) who  lived in this area and had a residential address on the Estate.

Perhaps he relocated to Spring Street when he became ill

There is some sort of notation in the first column, looks like 2 letters and the 2nd one could be 'R'. laceyreigh

Could this be UR  =Usual Residence? (Per Cando reply #1

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