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Offline Hazel17

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Missing on the 1851 census and no death entry
« on: Saturday 25 September 10 20:05 BST (UK) »
About a year ago I spent ages hunting for my ancestor Jane Nicholas and her second husband Oliver on the 1851 census.  On another fh board I belong to several people also looked but I'm looking back at them now and thought I would open it up to a fresh set of eyes for one last go at finding them.

Jane Chance (nee Sheppard) (1795 - 1858) married 2nd husband Oliver Nicholas in Mortlake Surrey 21/06/1849. All I know for certain about Oliver is what is on the marriage cert - bootmaker and of full age. Jane was a widow on her death cert of 1858. Jane was probably born in Mortlake.

I can't find Oliver's death nor can I find either of them on the 1851 census. Oliver could have died before or after the census. The Oliver Nicholas death in London 1857 is not him. There is an Oliver Nicholas much younger than Jane and born in Usk who pops up in 1841 and 61 but I think he is a red herring (his father's name and occ match the marriage cert).

Jane may not be in the UK at census time as her daughter Harriet married a Polishman Adam Grzybowski . They had a child born in 1849 in France, were in Missouri USA for the 1850 census, had another child in the USA 1852 (poss New York) then Harriet and children were back in London later in 1852 where the 2nd child was baptised and Harriet calling herself a widow. So Jane and Oliver could have been with Harriet and Adam in 1851 and Oliver could have died abroad.

If anyone can spot Jane or Oliver anywhere in 1851 (or a census abroad) or see Oliver's death that would be great.
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Re: Missing on the 1851 census and no death entry
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 08:39 BST (UK) »
 you are still looking for Jane and Oliver?
There is a lot of information about her daughter Harriet's husband Adam GRYSBOWOSKI on this thread

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=845341.msg7122337#msg7122337

GRYSBOWOSKI couple had another child Sophie Jane *
 in London but may have gone to Poland between France USA and England 
But were in USA in 1851 Jane and Oliver NICHOLAS  not with them
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Re: Missing on the 1851 census and no death entry
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 09:09 BST (UK) »
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S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.


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Re: Missing on the 1851 census and no death entry
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 09:35 BST (UK) »
Is this Jane in 1841?
HO107; Piece: 654; Book: 24; Civil Parish: Tottenham; County: Middlesex; Folio: 23; Page: 29
Jane Chance   40 Not BIC
Jane Chance   20
Harriett Chance   14
Adalaide Chance   10
Andey Chance   5
Charles Chance   2
all children BIC
so sadly no indication of county of birth. I know you have this marriage
Charles Chance,  02 Mar 1817 St Botolph without, Aldersgate
Spouse:   Jane Sheppard
but patently in London in 1817.

Do you have her baptism? Just trying to see if Jane could be searched for by birthplace  ???
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Missing on the 1851 census and no death entry
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 09:59 BST (UK) »
The Morning Advertiser, 1 Oct 1849 reported that the licence for the King's Arms, St. John St, Parish of St Sepulchre had been transferred from Jane Nicholas (late Chance) to Oliver Nicholas, her husband.
The same paper, 10 Jun 1850, reported Oliver had transferred the licence to a William Nash.
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Missing on the 1851 census and no death entry
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 19:49 BST (UK) »
Interesting. Tantalisingly close to the 1851 census!!
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Missing on the 1851 census and no death entry
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 20:03 BST (UK) »
They could be living at the king's arms for the census can you search by address?

Adelaide Chance was old enough to be married so they could be in household
Of her husband
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Re: Missing on the 1851 census and no death entry
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 20:12 BST (UK) »
Indeed you are right; Adelaide married George Kinch on 6 Sep 1848 at St Botolph's Aldersgate witnesses Richard Viccars, Caroline ?Keploe

1851 HO107; Piece: 1703; Folio: 223; Page: 22; King William II Beer shop
George Kinch   27 cattledealer
Adelaide Kinch   20
George Henry Kinch   10 Mo [actually reads be 6 mo]

No Jane on adjacent pages. Jane's address on burial [from City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery Registers, 1841-1966] is Baltic Street, St Lukes.


Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON