William John gould

[nairobi]

Please can anyone help break through my brick wall? I am searching for ancestors of William John Gould, born 1835. in England
I don't know where, nor do I know his parents' names. I have a copy of his marriage entry in church, which gives his father as Thomas - but there are so many Thomas Goulds  in 1841 and 1851 census  with sons calles Thomas that it could be any of them.

He will not appear in the 1861 census because by then he was in Bombay, India, having married a Mary Ann Davis there July 19th 1860 - this is the only confirmed info  i have.

I can trace his family from his marrige down to present day, but cannot go back until I know his parents and place of birrrrth. Any help  would be gratefully received.
BEst wishes
Betty

[t mo]

hi betty
just for clarity was  william in the army by an chance , is that the reason he was in india plus did he marry in india , if not do you know wherein england 
trevor

[nairobi]

Hi Trevor,
He was married in Bombay, India. Family talk has it that he was a captain in the service of Gaikwar of Baroda, but cannot confirm this . H e would have had to be in army risen to that rank between age 20  (1855) and out of the army by 1860, living locally  to be a clerk  at time of his marriage.

Thanks for your interest
Betty

[suffolk*sue]

Can you give us the info on the marriage cert, fathers occupation, witnesses.

[nairobi]

Hi Sue

What I have is not an actual marriage certificate. It is a copy of the church record held in St Thomas Cathedral, Bombay.It gives the date 19/7/1860 . There is no father's occupation, just his name -Thomas. Mary Ann's father is Samuel. The witnesses are Laura Stanley, William Coates and John G.Byrne.
Have you a connection?

Best wishes
Betty

[suffolk*sue]

No connection, just trying to see if we can find some info for you.


Did they come back to England, are they likely to be in any later English census?

[AMBLY]

Hi

FIBIS:
http://www.fibis.org/
The Times of India (Marriages 25 July 1859 to 11 May 1861 )  - Edition 175, 23 Jul 1860
(Also in the Bombay Almanac BMD dataset - Transcription of Marriage Announcements 1806 - 1867)
On the 19th July at St Andrew's Cathedral Mr William John Gould to Miss Mary Ann Davies of Kingston Surrey late from England    


Your Rootsweb Query:
http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/INDIA/2010-09/1284560532
One of the  replies
http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/INDIA/2010-09/1285227048

Suggested the following fellow, whose christening is on SearchLabs:

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
William John GOULD
Chr: 16 May 1836, South Newton, Wiltshire
Father: Thomas GOULD
Mother: Elizabeth Ellen GOULD

This looks to me to be the Census for that Family:
1841: Stoford - Parish of South Newton, Hundred of Branch & Dole, Wiltshire
HO107 /  Piece 1167 /  Book: 9 / Folio:  _, Pg 1
//
Thomas GOULD 30, Inn Keeper -  N
Elizabeth GOULD 25 - N
Wiliam GOULD 5 - Y
/
Jane BILLETE 55 - N
Suzane MOULAIN?  20, FS - N
James HINWOOD 15, Ag Lab - Y
John F(R)YFROM? 40, AG Lab - Y
Fanny SPARCEY 20, FS - Y
George SPACEY 20, AG Lab - Y
//

1851: Swan Inn, Tything of Stoford, parish of South Newton, Wiltshire
HO107 /  Piece: 1848 /  Folio: 102 / Page: 35
Head: Thomas GOULD 42, Inn Keeper, b St Giles, Dorset
Wife: Elizabeth A* GOULD 36, b Crawley, Hants
Visitor: Jane BILLET 77, widow, Annuittant, b Loades? Dorset (maybe Loders?)
Servant: Fanny SPACEY 29, unm, Barmaid, b Codford Wilts
Servant: Mary SNELGROVE 50, widow, House Servant, b Budpit?, Dorset
Servant: Thomas WHALLEY (or WHATLEY) 55, marr, Malster, b Woodford, Wilts
Servant: James HENWOOD 26, unm, Lab (inn Servt), b Steeple Langford, Wilts
Servant: Charles BIDWELL 18?, Ag Lab (in door?), b Bremhill Wilts
(* overwritten as an A, but can't see what was initially written under it - could be an E?)

1851: High Street - Winchester St Maurice, Hampshire
HO107 /  Piece: 1674 /  Folio: 234 /  Page: 4
Apprentice: William GOULD 15, unm, Draper's Assistant, b Storford, Wilts
In household of Charles GASK 26, a Lincolnshire born Draper & employer
One of 2 Apprentices,  - household also includs: 1 other apprentice,  1 assistant, 1 assisstant's assistant, 1 cook, 1 Houseservant
And the mother, brother and sister of the household Head:

Which when comparing to the following FIBIS entry, looks promising - you said your WJG was a Clerk and out of the army by the time he married?

FIBIS:
http://www.fibis.org/
Entry from Bombay Soldiers Records 1851-1857 A-K
William GOULDS
Occupation before enlisting: Clerk
Town & Country: Salisbury, Wiltshire
Where first Enlisted: London
Date of Attestation: 2 Jul 1855 - enlisted for 12 years
Arrived (in India) on the ship "Kingston" in 1855
Discharged: Discharged 27 December 1858. Cas. List Dec 1858   
IOR Ref: L/MIL/12/113   

I can't find the Storford born WJG after 1851.....

Cheers
AMBLY
 

[AMBLY]

South Newton Wilts is 2 miles N of Wilton
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WIL/SouthNewton/index.htm

Wilton is 3 miles NW of Salisbury
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WIL/Wilton/index.htm

Cheers
AMBLY

[nairobi]

Thank you Suffolk Sue,  William died in India and his widow and children came back here. I have all the descendants.

I have now received information  from the replies to my question which  matches up  with my family and I can move forward.