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Help needed to decipher crime of young Richard
« on: Tuesday 28 September 10 22:34 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone,

If possible could some one have a look at the writing below & see if you can decipher the crime that Richard Pitt was convicted off please.

Have been studying it all yesterday - for the life of me do you think i can work out what it is :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

This is new info for me regarding Richard's crime so its a real bonus.

Many thanks Troods
Williams- Devon to Vic Oz;
Holmes - Donnegal to Vic Oz; Hall Westmoreland/Kent to Vic Oz;
Shipwash - Kent;
Edwards - Lambeth;
Nolan - Ireland;
Grady - Kerry to WA Oz;
Matson - Nova Scotia to SA Oz

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Re: Help needed to decipher crime of young Richard
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 September 10 22:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Troods

Looks like  Capl. Zespite ?? - but I doubt the 2nd word   :D

Linda

 
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Re: Help needed to decipher crime of young Richard
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 September 10 22:45 BST (UK) »
Thanks Linda - totally bamboozled me.

I got Capl. or Capt. for the 1st word too but the 2nd ??????
Williams- Devon to Vic Oz;
Holmes - Donnegal to Vic Oz; Hall Westmoreland/Kent to Vic Oz;
Shipwash - Kent;
Edwards - Lambeth;
Nolan - Ireland;
Grady - Kerry to WA Oz;
Matson - Nova Scotia to SA Oz


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Re: Help needed to decipher crime of young Richard
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 September 10 22:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Troods,

I think it is Cap'l Respite - standing for Capital Respite.

A Google for Capital Respite gives a couple of links that indicate that CR was the term used when someone was transported rather than being on the receiving end of Capital Punishment. It's maybe not a crime as such, rather the outcome.

None of the sites I found are very authoritative, so I'm still looking!

Best wishes

Rockford
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Gilchrist [Lanarkshire, Peebles, Lothians], Smith [Dunbartonshire, Lanarkshire, Lothians]
Gregory [Bucks, Wales], Bennett [Somerset, Wales]
Letherby/Howlett/Phipps [Somerset]
Hunter [New Monkland, Fife], Gwynne [New Monkland, Stirling, Midlothian]
Logie/Dunlop/Thomson/Young [West Lothian]

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Re: Help needed to decipher crime of young Richard
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 September 10 22:47 BST (UK) »
I reckon that the first bit is capital, and it seems that each of the three did something together and were transported to NS Wales for 'life'.

Anna

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Re: Help needed to decipher crime of young Richard
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 September 10 22:57 BST (UK) »
Back again...

A couple of sites mentioning Capital Respite:

http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/lhr/25.1/devereaux.html
http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/glossary.html

If Richard was convicted in London, you might find some details here if you haven't looked already:
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org  There are some references to a Richard Pitt being tried for coining offences in 1774, but I don't know if that date fits with your document.

Best wishes

Rockford
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Thorburn [Lanarkshire], Vair [Melrose]
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Gilchrist [Lanarkshire, Peebles, Lothians], Smith [Dunbartonshire, Lanarkshire, Lothians]
Gregory [Bucks, Wales], Bennett [Somerset, Wales]
Letherby/Howlett/Phipps [Somerset]
Hunter [New Monkland, Fife], Gwynne [New Monkland, Stirling, Midlothian]
Logie/Dunlop/Thomson/Young [West Lothian]

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Re: Help needed to decipher crime of young Richard
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 September 10 23:05 BST (UK) »
This site makes fairly interesting reading based on 199 persons who were transported from Hampshire:)

http://www.umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/bonifield/home.html
Middlesex   Burnett  Clark   Potter    Cleary    Avery    Moore Howard Jode Keating
Norfolk    Rudd    Twite    Hudson    Chapman Moore Spink Adams
Suffolk    Horne    Cadge    Sutton    King    Adams
Essex    Cable    Wright                         Cumberland  Forbes
Somerset Clarke (pre 1800)                  Cambridgeshire Muncey Parcell
Devon  Flashman                                   Limerick    Hannigan
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Re: Help needed to decipher crime of young Richard
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 28 September 10 23:31 BST (UK) »
Wow - u peeps r a wealth of info. A big thanks.

I know Richard was convicted @ Maidstone Kent, but I have never actually got his trial records etc. I have most of the info from NSW & Tassie archives etc but nothing actually detailing what he was tried for. Mmmmmmm very interesting indeed.

Thanks again - much appreciated.

Troods :) :) :)
Williams- Devon to Vic Oz;
Holmes - Donnegal to Vic Oz; Hall Westmoreland/Kent to Vic Oz;
Shipwash - Kent;
Edwards - Lambeth;
Nolan - Ireland;
Grady - Kerry to WA Oz;
Matson - Nova Scotia to SA Oz

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Re: Help needed to decipher crime of young Richard
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 September 10 02:35 BST (UK) »
Hi All,

Found this on a list,

Pitt, Richard?     Convict     Crime - Not listed on Indent     Kent Assizes     19 March 1810     Life

Convicts on the transport ship Admiral Gambier - 1811 Convicts embarked 200
Convicts who died on the voyage 3
Convicts on this List 200

There is a pay site, Pastfinders.net which lists the following, indictment details for 16,

Richard Pitt
Date Tried: Kent Assizes, March 1810
Transported: Admiral Gambier/Friends 1811
Source: Indictment File - gives date, location and victim of offence, the goods involved and their value
Price: 16
Reference No: UCC1935


If not, you could try newspapers around that date.

Good luck,

Tom
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