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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 04 June 05 02:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Carol,

I'd prefer not to spend the kind of money a researcher would charge... but it may turn out to be my only option.

One problem is that I'm not sure whether the merchant navy records will contain any useful information. We know Morris' approximate birth, and I think it's likely that his records won't include anything useful.

Perhaps tracking his birth certificate down might be our best course... though when I found an email address for the appropriate department, they didn't reply. There is a postal address online, as well as a phone number, so maybe this is what we should do. Though I'm not sure even that will provide what we need, considering that marriages were so rare amongst slave descendants in Barbados (so Morris' birth certificate might confirm his father's exact name, but if his parents didn't marry, we're stuck for any indication of Brandford's birthdate). There's also the problem of not having any BMD index to search... so how does one find the year of a marriage... if it happened at all?

I have found an interesting pedigree resource file on LDS, though....

We know that Brandford is a common surname in Barbados, which confirms a plantation owner of this name at some stage... and we know that, whether a forename or surname, Brandford/Small must surely be descended from a Brandford.

I found a John (Brandling) Brandford, born 1668 in London, married Jane Croke in England, but died 1741 in Barbados. This looks likely to be the source of the later slaves of this name.

Genetic researchers have proven that most people of slave descendancy have white male ancestry along the way... at some point, possibly at numerous stages, white slavers have introduced their blood-line into the slaves. So it's fairly safe to assume that John Brandford or one of his descendants will have introduced their genes to the Brandford slave community.

This being the case, it means that any ancestry of John Brandford will probably be shared by any slave descendant who comes from a Brandford.... and the pedigree resource file traces John Brandford back to Alexander, Baron of Hilton, born 1185 in Hilton, County Durham (if I've counted correctly 16 generations between the 2 men) The line includes 2 Bowes and one Yorke... which both even have Royal links... so it looks quite likely that my chappy is an aristo.... and he always though I was HIS posh totty!!!
Hodge; Southport, Lancs
Pugh; Salop, Liverpool
Hulm; Bootle, Southport
Guildford; Liverpool
Clausen; Denmark, Liverpool
Yapp/Yopp; Salop
Marshall, Rimmer, Howard, Johnson, Jackson; Southport
Bury; Heref, Herts
Dady; Norfolk, Southport
Colebourne; Liverpool
Small; Barbados, Liverpool
Murray; West Indies, Liverpool
Williams; Africa, Liverpool
Jenner; Glos

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 04 June 05 02:21 BST (UK) »
What I really need is a research buddy in Barbados who has links to Liverpool... so I can do their Liverpool Record Office work, and they can do my searches in Barbados!

Actually, maybe we should set up a research Swap Shop... trading time in record offices, we could post ads for one-off tradeoffs... or establish research buddies for regular stuff... there must be folk in Norfolk who need Liverpool info I could find... cos I really need some research done there on church records which aren't on IGI or the Vital Records CD... I might go & find a suitable place to start a thread on that!
Hodge; Southport, Lancs
Pugh; Salop, Liverpool
Hulm; Bootle, Southport
Guildford; Liverpool
Clausen; Denmark, Liverpool
Yapp/Yopp; Salop
Marshall, Rimmer, Howard, Johnson, Jackson; Southport
Bury; Heref, Herts
Dady; Norfolk, Southport
Colebourne; Liverpool
Small; Barbados, Liverpool
Murray; West Indies, Liverpool
Williams; Africa, Liverpool
Jenner; Glos

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 04 June 05 02:32 BST (UK) »


You know what Impy ???

I wish I had all the answers for you -  because your postings are fascinating !

This weekend I promise I will make special time for your sailor problems....
 ::)

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 04 June 05 02:46 BST (UK) »
Aw ta... LOL... I just go off on a rant and don't know when to stop! one of these days I'm gonna write a book on this lot and try to benefit from my runaway gob....

I've posted the idea of the research Swap Shop on the common room board... I think that idea has some mileage, I'd certainly be happy to trade time with someone... and being in Liverpool probably places me in a better position... which so many people settling here and using the city as a springboard to so many other places around the world.

Impy

Hodge; Southport, Lancs
Pugh; Salop, Liverpool
Hulm; Bootle, Southport
Guildford; Liverpool
Clausen; Denmark, Liverpool
Yapp/Yopp; Salop
Marshall, Rimmer, Howard, Johnson, Jackson; Southport
Bury; Heref, Herts
Dady; Norfolk, Southport
Colebourne; Liverpool
Small; Barbados, Liverpool
Murray; West Indies, Liverpool
Williams; Africa, Liverpool
Jenner; Glos


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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 04 June 05 03:00 BST (UK) »


I do that too - one of my lines is in the Channel Islands
and I had a tremendous amount of help !
so I offered help on this side of the pond ....
I have my NARA ID so I can do research in the satellite office here
it worked out well -  we were both pleased with the results..............
in fact I was thrilled..................... :-* :-* :-*
Plus now we're friends - how cool is that ?

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 04 June 05 08:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Impy

Do you know about these people...they will perform Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness all around the world.Not sure if they have anyone in Barbados.
But no harm in looking hey?

http://www.raogk.org/listing.htm#international

I have become great friends with a lady in Vancouver,who belongs to this group and who is helping me out with my family history.

All the best

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 07 June 05 03:34 BST (UK) »


This just caught my eye

because of Sierra Leone........

http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/certificate.aspx?casualty=419502

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 09 June 05 06:44 BST (UK) »


Just thought I'd tell you - I haven't forgot - I'm still looking....... :P :P :P

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 09 June 05 22:04 BST (UK) »
Cooper : Muels : Howarth : Every : Price : King

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Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind ! Dr. Seuss

Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I