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Re: ellen smith nee callaghan 1896
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 15 January 19 23:20 GMT (UK) »
Marriage

Marriages Jun 1891   (>99%)
Callaghan    Frederick        Chorlton    8c   1178      
Howarth    Ada        Chorlton    8c   1178    
MURPHY    Kathleen        Chorlton    8c   1178    
Taylor    Thomas Bir_ey        Chorlton    8c   1178

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Re: ellen smith nee callaghan 1896
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 15 January 19 23:24 GMT (UK) »
Death of Kathleen/Catherine?  (Same quarter as birth of Ellen)

CALLAGHAN, CATHERINE       28   
GRO Reference: 1898  S Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 253

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Re: ellen smith nee callaghan 1896
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 15 January 19 23:38 GMT (UK) »
From 1911 there is a 4th surviving child


possibly 
CALLAGHAN, MAY       MURPHY     Order
GRO Reference: 1896  J Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 868
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Is Frances Maud the marriage in 1914 to Herbert BARLOW?

if so, she has father's name as Frederick George CALLAGHAN and says he is a weaver.  a bit of a change in occupation there.  AND it's a C of E wedding

one of the witnesses is an Agnes CALLAGHAN

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Re: ellen smith nee callaghan 1896
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 15 January 19 23:44 GMT (UK) »
Frederick (weaver) and Catherine 1891? 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7Z8J-L6Z


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Re: ellen smith nee callaghan 1896
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 15 January 19 23:56 GMT (UK) »
Frederick George volunteered WW1 - record is on Ancestry
He was previously with an Ox & Bucks regt discharged in 1887
in 1915 LOTS of drunk and disorderly, absent and late.

 

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Re: ellen smith nee callaghan 1896
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 16 January 19 15:18 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that lots to go on there
I have a picture of Frederick and 2 daughters still in his uniform but again no mother, I wonder if she did die.
I think the marriage of Frances maude is correct and Agnes never married.
Adding George to his name may help.
I do believe c of e would be correct.
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Re: ellen smith nee callaghan 1896
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 20 January 19 13:21 GMT (UK) »
Just a bit confused about the dates for Frederick in the Army. Could he be in the army and workhouse with the kids?
If the mother died what would happen to a baby and toddlers!  I have a photo of him and 2 daughters in their late teens early 20s in his uniform  :-*
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Re: ellen smith nee callaghan 1896
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 20 January 19 18:37 GMT (UK) »
When was he in the Workhouse?

The girls were old enough to work by the time he enlisted.
AND Frances Maud was married. He gives her address. So they could just as easily be living with her if they were not living in.

When did his mother, Elizabeth, die? They were living with her in 1891. so it is possible they still were in 1898.

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Re: ellen smith nee callaghan 1896
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 20 January 19 19:44 GMT (UK) »
Not sure how to attach doc
1901 and 1902 show him and his kids in Withington workhouse
Sounds plausible if Caroline died the year ellen was born.
Can't find elizabeth callaghan death,
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