NORWAY: Haagensen, Peter Henrik

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I am trying to find out about the following married couple before they came to England from Norway in the 1860's:

Peter Henrik Haagensen, b: Moss, Ostfold, Norway, Aug 3 1837; d: 1919, England.
Johanna ("Janna") Andrea Eleonore, b: 7 Sept 1845, Vinger, Norway; d: 11 Dec 1897, England (I am presuming 'Eleonore' is not a surname, but not 100% sure).

Peter was "Born at Moss in Norway in 1837, he had come to Grimsby in 1867 and became Consul for Sweden and Norway four years later". A webpage about him is here: http://beehive.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/default.asp?WCI=SiteHome&ID=5641&PageID=107705

My grandmother was a Haagensen, and her father, Peter John Haagensen (1876-1948), was brought across from Fredrikstad, Ostfold, Norway, by his father, Haakon Oluf Haagensen (c1852-1920). Although it is said Peter Henrik Haagensen was her 'uncle', I have been unable to find a link between him and my Haagensen's.

So finding a bit more about Peter Henrik Haagensen before he came to England may enable me to find a possible link further back.

Any advice welcome.

[jorose]

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html
 - shows a marriage in 1873 for him, in Branvold, Hedmark, Norway, to Johanne Eleonore Andrea Hagerup
His father is given as Hans Haagensen, hers as Hans Hagerup.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8880&idx_id=8880&uid=ny&idx_side=-218
 - original image shows him as resident in Grimsby.

His christening is listed on that site as "Petter Henrich Haagensen", father Hans mother Andrea nee Boug.
The original image ( http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7515&idx_id=7515&uid=ny&idx_side=-21 ) confirms the "August 3" birthdate.

There are also several baptisms for siblings, mostly listed with surname Hansen.
He had at least four sisters - Annette Caroline, 1827, Bergitte Christine, 1830, Maren, 1834, Hanne Jacobine Caroline, 1839
At least one brother, Andreas, b. 1832

His mother remarried in 1841 to Simon Svendsen:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7515&idx_id=7515&uid=ny&idx_side=-188

They had at least two more children: Bergithe Magdalen, 1842, Hanna Andrea, 1846 (as Simonsen/Simonsdatter)

I think this might be his mother with his sister (Bergitte Christine Haagensen m. Hans Carl Funnemark in Moss in 1854) in the 1865 census:
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0301&kenr=1857&bnr=1784&lnr=000
And probably Maren is here:
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0104&kenr=000&bnr=0019&lnr=00

Judging from Johanna's address at marriage this is her family:
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0421&kenr=004&bnr=0028&lnr=000

The boy there, "Frederick Emil", appears to be living with the Haagensen family in 1881 (head of household transcribed as "Postez H. Haagensen", brother in law as "Frederick Hagerun", Frederik Emil Hagerup married in England in 1886).

I can't actually find Peter on the 1865 census, perhaps he was already overseas at that point.

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jorose, that's brilliant! It should hopefully narrow things down. Many thanks.

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This may sound an obvious question, but how do you search for original images (not trascriptions) as on the links above, kindly posted by jorose? Looking at the website ( http://www.arkivverket.no/ ) where the images seem to be held, I cannot seem to find the search facility in question, even after translating the page.

At the minute I'm trying to find births of the following couple (or at least Hans):

Hans Jacob HAAGENSEN
Andrea BOUG

Married: 2 Jan 1827, Moss, Ostfold, Norway

Any help appreciated.

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Sorry, I managed to find the record images I was after.

I'm still having difficulties finding birth or parent details on Hans Jacob Haagensen though. I think he was born around 1797 and Andrea Boug in 1804.

[kaysii]

Hei!

This looks like a possible candidate for your Hans Jacob Haagensen in Glemmen, Frederikstad in 1801 with parents Haagen Hansen and mother Andrea Maria Jacobsdatter.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f1801&gardpostnr=3592&personpostnr=45127&merk=45127#ovre
Family pilot search has his christening in Glemmen on 17 May 1792 to parents Haagen Hansen and Andrea Maria Hassing and this is it in the register http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7453&idx_id=7453&uid=ny&idx_side=-76


Kaysii

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Takk, kaysii 

They certainly look good possibilities. Depending on the source, the Norwagian surnames do seem to vary - maybe depending on whether the paternal naming system is adhered to at the time by the parents, or whoever registered or transcribed the names at the time (?).

On Hans Jacob HAAGENSEN & Andrea BOUG's marriage the age seems to be inked* over (seems to say 3* 1/2 ?), and I am not sure if the people in the witness column are related or not (though I would have thought so). Not easy to decipher it all though. Marriage no. 3: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061024020473.jpg with another Haagensen at no. 4!

[kaysii]

Yes you have to play around with names as there were no standardised spellings and surnames started at different times across the country. Those who "sponsor" the married couple are often not relatives, although you may want to try and find them to try and find out who Andrea's family are.

There seem no obvious connections to your Haakon Oluf Haagensen. How far have you been able to go back with his family? From what I can see his family came originally from Hedmark on his father's side.

Kaysii

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Yes, seems Haaken's Oluf's father was Johan Haagensen, b: c1817, Sor-Odal, Hedmark; mother Maren Gurine Hermansdatter b: c1817. I also have Haaken's siblings and children. I think Johan's father was Haagen Johansen, and mother Anne Johansdatter. No dates or similar details yet though.

Peter Henrik Haagensen's wife Johanna Hagerup was also from Hedmark, just east of Sor-Odal at Vinger (now Kongsvinger), so I have a feeling a link, if there is on, maybe through something similar to this.