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Re: Despair Loveridge / Smith
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 07 October 10 16:00 BST (UK) »

Scally the tree on GRU belongs to the great granddaughter of Elizabeth Loveridge daughter of Despair and Chrysane.
Chrysane was born a Loveridge and Despair a Smith.

So could Stephen be Chrysanes brother?
Bramwell -  Derbyshire and Bolton
Pottinger -  Gloucestershire, Berkshire
James- Gloucestershire
Rawley, Wheeler - Middlesex
Nicholls, Nichols -  Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire
Lee, Porter - Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Bowers, Coxall, Coe, Dawkins, Hawkins, Horspoole, Rule - Cambridgeshire
Stoughton - Bedfordshire
Stewart - Stirlingshire,  Glasgow and Edingburgh
Tulloch - Orkney Islands
Liddell - Stirlingshire, Lanarkshire
Tulloch, Wilson, Stevenson, Baxter, Muir, Boag - Scotland

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Re: Despair Loveridge / Smith
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 07 October 10 16:30 BST (UK) »


There is a Priscilla Loveridge born 1871  in Bedford on the BMD, cant find a Priscilla born in Northamptonshire.
Bramwell -  Derbyshire and Bolton
Pottinger -  Gloucestershire, Berkshire
James- Gloucestershire
Rawley, Wheeler - Middlesex
Nicholls, Nichols -  Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire
Lee, Porter - Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Bowers, Coxall, Coe, Dawkins, Hawkins, Horspoole, Rule - Cambridgeshire
Stoughton - Bedfordshire
Stewart - Stirlingshire,  Glasgow and Edingburgh
Tulloch - Orkney Islands
Liddell - Stirlingshire, Lanarkshire
Tulloch, Wilson, Stevenson, Baxter, Muir, Boag - Scotland

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Re: Despair Loveridge / Smith
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 07 October 10 16:50 BST (UK) »

Scally the tree on GRU belongs to the great granddaughter of Elizabeth Loveridge daughter of Despair and Chrysane.
Chrysane was born a Loveridge and Despair a Smith.


Well, that fits in with the BMD birth record for a Despair Smith in 1856.

So could Stephen be Chrysanes brother?

Could easily be if she was the Loveridge by birth although his relationship to the Head should have written down as Brother-in-law.  I've generally found that the enumerators were quite precise in their work but that's not to say that mistakes weren't made.  Precisely in this instance, the Countsellets was down as male whereas I should think the name belongs to a female.


Also on the family search site it says Stephen Loveridge christened  06 MAR 1866   Saint Paul, Bedford, Bedford, England, parents Joseph Loveridge and Elizabeth.

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Lyne   

Sorry, I missed your earlier comment.

If this is so, and there's no reason to think that it isn't, then the tree I've seen on Ancestry is wrong because if Despair was a Smith by birth and not a Loveridge then he wouldn't have Joseph and Elizabeth as his parents if Stephen was in fact brother to Elizabeth.  Or.....  both Despair and Chrysane had parents who were Smith/Loveridge combinations and some children were given one surname and the others the maiden name - I've seen that before.

I think unless I can find some earlier census records for this family, we won't be able to confirm how to split up the brothers and sisters and really know who is who.
Paternal family names: Lee & Smith
Maternal family names: Hollis, Lambert, Donaghue & Osborne.


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Re: Despair Loveridge / Smith
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 07 October 10 21:20 BST (UK) »


I to have seen where there has been a use of both surnames in a marriage and I do know through looking at stuff this afternoon that Despair and Chrysanes daughter Elizabeth gave all her children the surname of Loveridge and not the surname of either of her partners who were brothers.
Bramwell -  Derbyshire and Bolton
Pottinger -  Gloucestershire, Berkshire
James- Gloucestershire
Rawley, Wheeler - Middlesex
Nicholls, Nichols -  Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire
Lee, Porter - Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Bowers, Coxall, Coe, Dawkins, Hawkins, Horspoole, Rule - Cambridgeshire
Stoughton - Bedfordshire
Stewart - Stirlingshire,  Glasgow and Edingburgh
Tulloch - Orkney Islands
Liddell - Stirlingshire, Lanarkshire
Tulloch, Wilson, Stevenson, Baxter, Muir, Boag - Scotland

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Re: Despair Loveridge / Smith
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 07 October 10 21:55 BST (UK) »
Probably no help to you at all but in 1901 Despair and Chrysans turn up in Suffolk as Spears and Crissanda, along with their six children

RG 13 Piece 1763 Folio 87 Page 10

Smith, Burrell. Covell, Stonebridge

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Re: Despair Loveridge / Smith
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 07 October 10 22:12 BST (UK) »
Probably no help to you at all but in 1901 Despair and Chrysans turn up in Suffolk as Spears and Crissanda, along with their six children

RG 13 Piece 1763 Folio 87 Page 10



Well, it helps in a way because I have that record saved but hadn't realised they were one and the same people.  Thanks for pointing it out.
Paternal family names: Lee & Smith
Maternal family names: Hollis, Lambert, Donaghue & Osborne.

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Re: Despair Loveridge / Smith
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 07 October 10 23:11 BST (UK) »


I to have seen where there has been a use of both surnames in a marriage and I do know through looking at stuff this afternoon that Despair and Chrysanes daughter Elizabeth gave all her children the surname of Loveridge and not the surname of either of her partners who were brothers.

That's interesting.  I've come across a couple of people who married siblings.
Paternal family names: Lee & Smith
Maternal family names: Hollis, Lambert, Donaghue & Osborne.

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Re: Despair Loveridge / Smith
« Reply #16 on: Friday 08 October 10 08:52 BST (UK) »
I knew the name Spears rang a bell. 

There is a 1871 census in Cople, Bedfordshire that has a Spiers Loveridge living with his mother Elizabeth who in turn is living 'as wife' with Montague Grey.  One of his siblings is Stephen Loveridge 1866 so that gives us proof that Despair and Stephen were brothers.  Countsellets and Priscilla aren't listed of course as they weren't born yet but it would imply that Elizabeth's first husband Joseph had died and she had hooked up with Montague and later had children with him.

On the previous page there are 4 more Loveridges, all siblings, all single.  William, Maria, Goliath and Lovinia.  They could be further siblings of Despair and Stephen if it weren't for the fact that there is a Lavinia already listed next to 'Spiers'. 
Paternal family names: Lee & Smith
Maternal family names: Hollis, Lambert, Donaghue & Osborne.

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Re: Despair Loveridge / Smith
« Reply #17 on: Friday 08 October 10 11:20 BST (UK) »


I,ve seen the 1871 census for Pork Lane, Cople and do think it is a possibility.

Looking at the information about Elizabeth Loveridge, I dont think she was married to either of the brothers who were Stephen Stone and Elias Stone.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: LOVERIDGE, Elizabeth
Address: Poplar Lane Eastwood

STONE, Stephen Head Unmarried M 42 1869 General Labourer And Hawker Romford Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elizabeth Mother Unmarried F 33 1878 Flower Seller Isle of Ely Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Loie Daughter F 11 1900 Scholar Eastwood Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elijah Son M 10 1901 Scholar Eastwood Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Queene Daughter F 8 1903 Scholar Eastwood Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elias Son M 5 1906 Pitsea Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Charlie Son M 2 1909 Eastwood Essex
Bramwell -  Derbyshire and Bolton
Pottinger -  Gloucestershire, Berkshire
James- Gloucestershire
Rawley, Wheeler - Middlesex
Nicholls, Nichols -  Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire
Lee, Porter - Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Bowers, Coxall, Coe, Dawkins, Hawkins, Horspoole, Rule - Cambridgeshire
Stoughton - Bedfordshire
Stewart - Stirlingshire,  Glasgow and Edingburgh
Tulloch - Orkney Islands
Liddell - Stirlingshire, Lanarkshire
Tulloch, Wilson, Stevenson, Baxter, Muir, Boag - Scotland