Maude VAN-OKKER

[coachcaptain]

Hi all.

I have just come across this post and as I have Koopman (Charles) Okker in my tree I thought I'd add somethings as I know them. I have Koopman married in Amsterdam to Marianna Van Diepenhijm Oct 6 1858. This is probably where the Van comes into play with his wife's name? (Marianna van Diepenhijm = Maud van Okker)? Also he married a second time to Emily Georgeine Okker nee Dennes July 25 1869 in Wandsworth, London. She was born Ventnor, Isle of Wight, Feb 17 1848. I also have Koopman as a Diamond Cutter and dying in the County Lunatic Asylum Wandsworth (Springfield Hospital) March 22 1885. This is still to be confirmed, I have contacted The Surrey Historical Society for help with this and am awaiting their response. Any comments/corrections would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. p.s. am I allowed to add source citations to posts for confirmation purposes?

[KGarrad]

The "van" is part of the surname, called a affix (or tussenvoegsel in Dutch/Flemish).

Tussenvoegsels are ignored when sorting - e.g. in a directory, phone book etc.
E.G. Vincent van Gogh; Rembrandt van Rijn; Frank de Boer, etc

Okker is a different surname to van Okker

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tussenvoegsel

[coachcaptain]

Thanks for your quick reply and useful info, good to share these things.

[KGarrad]

I lived in The Netherlands for 16 years!
Some things entered my brain during that time!

[coachcaptain]

Wish I could understand Dutch, most of my family, on my grandmothers side, are from Amsterdam and Groningen areas. Very difficult translating some documents. I do have a translator program but a lot of the documents/scans I find are jpegs, or images and can't be translated automatically so I have to try to decipher the hand writing and go from there. Also the naming of people seems to change with each generation? A bit frustrating sometimes, but thats what this family history is all about eh?

[KGarrad]

There are Dutch speakers on RC.
Try posting the documents, and see what people make of them.
You'll need a suitable Subject Title, in order to get people's attention.

[coachcaptain]

Now thats an avenue I have not thought about, thanks for the thought might give it a try? I wonder if there is enough people that need this kind of service for RC to have a seperate section for such a thing? I have had a reply from the Surrey Historical Society confiming the fact that Koopman Charles Okker did die in the County Lunatic asylum (Springfield Hospital) and I can acquire 2 pages of scans re his condition before admittance and his subsequent death, cost is 26 pounds or $47. A bit expensive I think.

[KGarrad]

I think that is very reasonable
I do private research - And I know I am cheap at £20 per hour!

[coachcaptain]

I do understand about the cost of things and really appreciate when peoples skills, time and expertise are involved, and knowing the time that is spent on research I think you are very reasonable.