Samuel Fisher, Artist and Engraver

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Valda

Many thanks for that information.

I have yet to send for a death certificate for him as there seem to be a number of possibilities in 1851.

I would agree that the March entry seems to be the most likely (I certainly cannot find either him or his wife on the 1851 census).

Peter




 

[Valda]

Hi


The Prerogative Court of Canterbury will should prove it one way or the other.


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/power-search.asp?searchType=powersearch


Regards

Valda

[Hackstaple]

In the antique prints trade it is widely accepted that Samuel Fisher was still alive until at least 1855.

I suggest you do not accept the 1851 death.

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Hack

Yes I had noticed that, but all of the dates using 1855 seem to be preceded with "fl" which I understand stood for "flourishing".
Could it be that his work continued to be used after his death?

In the meantime, thanks to the link that Valda supplied I have invested £3.50 with docs online and downloaded the will, which runs to quite a number of pages.

I'll (try and) read it before I go any further.

Peter

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I am almost certain that this is his will!

Samuel and Maria had four children: Caroline Maria, Frederick Samuel, Elizabeth Clara and Amelia.

All of those names appear in the document.

Peter

[Valda]

Hi

If he died in 1855 these are the three possibilities

Deaths Jun 1855  
Fisher  Samuel    Dudley  6c 70    
Deaths Sep 1855  
Fisher  Samuel     Dudley  6c 16    
Fisher  Samuel     Stockport  8a 55


Other than the Bridgman Art Library which gives his dates 1806-1851 the other dates on the internet are 1802-1855

The 1841 census would seem to indicate the 1806 birthdate is the nearer birthdate.

1841 HO107/665/6 fol 31  p 16
Barford  Terrace Finsbury St Mary Islington Middlesex
Samuel Fisher 33 artist not born in county (clearly 33)
Maria              30                           do
Caroline          10               born in county
Frederick         6                  do
Clara              4                    do
Amelia            3                    do
Mary Savill      20   F.S       not born in county


The family is not together on the 1851 census.

The two younger daughters are in Staffordshire

1851 census HO107 2025 folio 354
Heath Turnpike Road West Bromwich
Clara Fisher 14 Pupil London Middlesex
Amelia Fisher 13 Pupil London Middlesex

The oldest daughter

1851 census HO107 1694 folio 151
Boyn Hill Bray Berkshire
Caroline M Fisher 20 Governess Islington

Carolione Maria's marriage 21st April 1855 St Andrew's church Islington does state her father was deceased but that doesn't rule it out. One of the witnesses to the marriage was Edward Goodyear.


Frederick Samuel the son married as a stationer in Hoxton in 1859 so this looks to be him on the 1851 census

1851 census HO107 535 folio 617
75 Great Charles Street Hoxton Shoreditch
Frederick Fisher 16 Visitor Apprentice Stationer Not Known
House of Edward Goodyear 50 Unmarried Journeyman Japanner born Birmingham

No sign of either parent on this census. The will indicates Samuel did die in 1851 before the 1851 census.


Regards

Valda

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Valda

Again, many thanks. It's going to take me some time to read this will!

I would agree with all of the census recrds you have found.

I've found most of the family on later censuses, as well.

Peter

[Hackstaple]

That looks definite enough to confute the idea that he was still active in 1855. I wonder if Maria, his wife, was not a Goodyear?

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Hack

Maria was a Dutton.

I have the birth certificate of their youngest child, Amelia, who was born on the 21st March, 1838, the others having been born prior to civil registration.

I also have a very poor copy of the marriage entry which I purchased from Birmingham archives.

Peter