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Re: Help please..no trace of my gran on censuses or birth certficate
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 31 October 10 14:58 GMT (UK) »
Have to go off for a while now....be back later. Thanks so much for the help....its quite a conundrum!

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Re: Help please..no trace of my gran on censuses or birth certficate
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 31 October 10 14:59 GMT (UK) »
Here's the family in 1891:

1891 census: RG12/353/61/28
14 Harper St, Newington, Surrey


Robert V. FIDLER  Head M 33 Brewer's labourer London Shoreditch
Amelia A. do Wife M  29 London Shoreditch
Robert A. do Son 2 London Bermondsey
George W. do Son 8mo London Newington
Charles COOPER Wife's brother 11 Scholar London Shoreditch
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help please..no trace of my gran on censuses or birth certficate
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 31 October 10 16:45 GMT (UK) »
Trouble is, the only death of a Robert Fidler that is in freebmd that matches the age, is in 1934 Shoreditch aged 76, which fits with the age of the one on the 1911.  mmmh.

That could still be him - Florence may have considered him deceased when she married if she was estranged from him.

Jan ;)
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Re: Help please..no trace of my gran on censuses or birth certficate
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 31 October 10 17:21 GMT (UK) »
Could be them getting married?

14 June 1885, St Thomas, Bethnal Green

Robert Fidler, aged 25, Bachelor, Bricklayer of 14 Durant Street, son of William Fidler, Painter

married

Amelia Cooper, aged 24, Spinster, Millener of 9 Durant Street, dau of George Cooper, Printer

witnesses:  George Henry Cooper and Lucy King

and a couple of children .....

St Thomas, Bethnal Green:-

Robert Albert Fidler, born 19 September 1888, christened 28 October 1888, living 18 Luxford Street, Rotherhithe, fathers occupation Labourer

George William Fidler, born 5 August 1890, christened 14 September 1890, living 9 Durant Street, father's occupation Labourer.

St Andrew, Enfield

James Charles Fidler, born 5 November 1898, christened 31 July 1899, living 19 Fifth Avenue, father's occupation Labourer.  This one was a private baptism.
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Re: Help please..no trace of my gran on censuses or birth certficate
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 31 October 10 17:50 GMT (UK) »
Trouble is, the only death of a Robert Fidler that is in freebmd that matches the age, is in 1934 Shoreditch aged 76, which fits with the age of the one on the 1911.  mmmh.

That could still be him - Florence may have considered him deceased when she married if she was estranged from him.

Jan ;)

Very true, Jan.   The death cert would be worth getting to see who registered it.   May or may not help.   But death certs can be very useful.
 
Just as a story, I was looking for a g'grandmother and the only one that fitted name+area was ten years too young.  Sent for it anyway, turned out her married daughter had registered it.  Great cert, sent me down another line.  Would never have found the marriage.
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Re: Help please..no trace of my gran on censuses or birth certficate
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 02 November 10 04:38 GMT (UK) »
My head is going round in circles ??? :-\

There seem to be different middle names for Robert which is making me have a few doubts....at some point he is down as Robert Zachariah even.

And I'm a bit agog at the idea that my grandmother might have been a hundred years old when she died a=nd not 90...

I think I might need to look at these place names on a map to get a picture of where they went and moved....see if it looks feasible.

I wonder also if Roberts profession of "brewer" could be used to track him down in some way or my grandmothers time in service.....

It was interesting the possible marriage into a Copper family because I already have an Amelia Cooper on my family tree - albeit on my fathers side :-)

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Re: Help please..no trace of my gran on censuses or birth certficate
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 02 November 10 08:11 GMT (UK) »
Have a look in the 1911 census http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx?2

put in Fidler for the surname, Islington for the residential place, and Florance in other members of the household.   Florance (note spelling) is with a Robert b 1857

Have you had a look in the 1911 census, to see what is the occupation of Robert?
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Re: Help please..no trace of my gran on censuses or birth certficate
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 02 November 10 09:06 GMT (UK) »
I did see a possible parish marriage for sister Amelia Ann Fidler (from the family we have) in 1921. One of the witnesses was an Emily Florence and then looks like Knox!

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Re: Help please..no trace of my gran on censuses or birth certficate
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 02 November 10 09:51 GMT (UK) »
Have a look in the 1911 census http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx?2

put in Fidler for the surname, Islington for the residential place, and Florance in other members of the household.   Florance (note spelling) is with a Robert b 1857

Have you had a look in the 1911 census, to see what is the occupation of Robert?

Yes he is a Handyman in a brewery - and a widower. Which works :-)