Missing DRIVER and YOUNG parents

[Laurina]

This could be Hugh Driver in the 1871 census in Glasgow Reformatory Institution and Boy's House of Refuge

Hugh Driver
Age: 12
Birth abt 1859 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Relationship: Youthful Offender
Gender: Male
Where born: Registration Number: 644/2
Registration district: High Church   Civil Parish: Glasgow Springburn   County: Lanarkshire
Occupation: Scholar

Hugh's birth 06 MAY 1858   Anderston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland - Father: Hugh Driver / Mother: Margaret Wallace

Hugh Driver's parent's marriage
Hugh Driver to Margaret Wallace - 19.6.1857 Blythswood, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Laurina
 

[esdel]

What do you think esdel?

Laurina

Well I actually was off-line relaxing in a hot bath - so wasn't thinking!

On my return I am delighted - you are all doing a splendid job helping me, finding stuff I would never have found on my own.
Now I can go to bed and lk fwd to a days fun sorting out all you have discovered
esdel

[esdel]

I am having trouble finding the parents and grandparents of these children:-
Donald Driver b Mar 1915 Newcastle
Sybella Driver b Sep 1910 Hebburn, South Shields
Matthew Driver b abt 1913 Newcastle
Lilian Driver b 14 Sep 1911 Newcastle

Their Mother is Lilian Young
Their father is either Matthew Driver
                       or Matthew Turnbull Driver

1911 census RG14 3053 160
3 Whitfield Road, Delavel Benwell, Newcastle
Matthew Driver, married, age 26, Iron Turner, b Renfrew, Scotland
Lilian Driver, married, age 25, b Durham, Hebburn
Sybella Driver, daughter, age 8 mths, b Durham, Hebburn

The family thinks the parents of Matthew Turnbull Driver are
John Driver 1832 North Shields
Isabella Turnbull 1838 North Shields
married abt 1863 Tynemouth

Many thanks
Esdel

Thank you everybody!

The basic confusion that you have revealed for me is
Matthew Driver versus Matthew Turnbull Driver

As these are two people but the "Turnbull" often uses no middle name (especially in censuses) it gets very difficult

Thanks to Matthew Turnbull Driver I have a extra  tree which may or may not connect to mine.
He is the son b May 1871 at Tynemouth of John Driver and Isabella Turnbull who M13567 says married Nov 1863 at Tynemouth
Isabella's father is John Turnbull
Her husband John Driver's father is a John Driver who married a Margaret
She was born 1799 North Shields.
He (1861 census) is a Merchant Seaman living at Tynemouth with a lodger Jane Driver age 66.
He was born in Orkney in 1795

Unfortunately, due to the confusion of the Matthew Turnbull Driver oft not using his middle name, my notes are a mess!

All your ideas and suggestions welcome!

Many thanks
esdel

[Laurina]

The basic confusion that you have revealed for me is
Matthew Driver versus Matthew Turnbull Driver

All your ideas and suggestions welcome!

Many thanks
esdel

You can solve this problem simply for yourself by buying the marriage certificate for Lilian Young and Matthew Driver. It will give you both father's names and occupations.

As far as I can see Matthew Turnbull Driver is not possible - you say he was born in 1871 therefore he would be 40 in 1911. You Matthew is only 26!

If you look at his occupation and the family names in the replies here you will see that Matthew Driver is an apprentice iron turner in 1901 aged 17 - yours is an iron turner in 1911 aged 26. Your Matthew names his daughter Sybella and one of his sons Donald - the Matthew I've given you has a mother called Sybella and a brother called Donald.

Whilst I appreciate it's not conclusive the only way to prove or disprove it is to get the marriage certificate. It will cost you £9.25 - there is no other way of viewing it.

Good Luck

Laurina

[esdel]

I'd send for the marriage cerificate and see what it says. It's interesting that Matthew's occupation fits with the family I've found in 1901. The daughter/mother both have the same unusual name - Sybilla.

What do you think esdel?

Laurina

It is conclusive - well done Laurina!

No matter how many "official books" you find your ancestor's name written in, there is no PROOF it is not just another bloke or gal rejoicing in the same name!
Truth is but cruel self-delusion - a non-player who never strut nor fret his hour upon  the stage mode visible!

[esdel]

 

Matthew Driver / Lilian Young
1Q 1910 South Shields Durham, Tyne and Wear 10a  1222 


Lauina

Is there any way to find the parents of Lilian Young?

Many thanks
esdel

[Laurina]

Buy the marriage certificate - it will tell you her father's name and occupation. Otherwise it's just guess work.

Laurina

[clachar]

This looks like the same family I have been researching. Matthew and Lilian's children would be my father's cousins. Lilian's mother was Mary Young, but Lilian was raised her grandparents, James Young and Alice Harper and later by James Coldwell and his wife Ellen Young, Lilian's aunt. I have photos of Matthew and his four children, Sybella, Lilian, Matthew and Donald which I can post if it will confirm ID.

Clachar

[esdel]

Great, please send the photos. Lilian Driver was my wife's Mother.

As nearly all the other people are new to me please send any info you may have on their births, marriages and deaths, and the years through which Lillian Young was adopted by her Grannie and then her Aunt
Many thanks
Esdel