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[Declan2001]

Hi Judy my 4th great-grandfather was john Clarke and his mother was Mary orpe, I believe there is a connection with your husband.my line through that side starts with my great grandmother who was a Clarke. john orpe was stepfather to john Clarke. I believe Mary had an illegitimate child in Manchester to a Thomas Clarke

[Declan2001]

Hi Judy sounds about right

[judyflute]

Hi Declan2001,
If your John Clarke was the son of Mary Clarke who later married John Orpe then yes, you will be related to my husband as Mary Clarke is his 2x great aunt. I must admit I haven't looked at the Orpe or Clarke family for a while. I can confirm that John Clarke/ Orpe named his father as Thomas Clarke on his marriage certificate but I just wonder if just plucked a name out of the hat as he was illegitimate? His mother Mary Clarke was born in Weston Underwood, Derbyshire and baptised in Mugginton, Derbyshire on 10 May 1820. She was the daughter of John Clarke and Esther Bratby. My husband's 2x g grandmother is Mary Clarke's eldest sister Elizabeth born 1818 who moved to Birmingham and married Josiah Cutler. What is noticeable about John Clarke/ Orpe is that he took the Orpe surname and only reverted back to Clarke after his mother's death in 1865.

[Declan2001]

interesting. john then went on to have Thomas William Clarke my third great grandfather then he had Thomas henry Clarke

[Durks]

Adding to this John Orp question.
Mary Clark (1821-1865) was my 3rd Great Grandmother.
I recently discovered her grave in Quarndon, epitaph is shown as Mary Orp buried with husband John (1810-1886).
I heard from another family member that Mary had a illegitimate son, John Clarke 1847-1900 - my 2nd Great Grandfather. If you look at John’s marriage banns Mar 1867 to Hannah Ward, his father is shown as Thomas Clarke not John Orp. Note John’s occupation Tailor.
In 1861 census, John has taken his step-fathers name and is living in Cheetham with his Aunt Hannah Clark(1828-1883) and her husband John Priestman (Tailor). John Clarke-Orp is shown as a Tailor’s apprentice.
Hope that helps