Lacey's farm, Tuddenham.

[ribbo39]

Hi,
I'm trying to find any info regarding Lacey's farm, Tuddenham.

My g.grandparents were living there at the begining  of WW1.

They were Robert Ribbans who died in 1927 and buried in Ipswich,  and my g.grandmother
Mary Ann (nee SPALL)  who may have died in 1915 and buried in Cosford.

I've never been able to find when & where Mary Ann SPALL was born/baptised and her age is listed
as 25 when she married in 1878

I'm trying to piece together some background.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Edited  11-11-10 - Wrong date entered for Mary Ann's burial/death my apologises. Not sure even now that 1915 is correct

Alan

[Keziah2]

Think I can help with Mary Ann's details.  I located the family on the 1861C living in Font St, Debenham.  Parents John & Emily.  It gives Mary Ann's place of birth as Debenham.  Free BMD list a Mary Ann Spaull in the MarQ 1851 Bosmere District 12/367.  Debenham is in Bosmere.

[Suffolk Mawther]

Often farm names originate with the family farming them. 
In 1855 Robert Lacey was the owner.

I checked Kelly's for 1892 Tuddenham St Martin - no mention of Lacey's Farm or who might have been there at that time.

It is still there, just on the Ipswich side of the main railway line (Norwich/Liverpool Street, London).  Situated on the edge of the parish almost into Westerfield.
However, the county town of Ipswich creeps ever closer 

Pat ...

[ribbo39]

Thank you both for your replies.

I have seen reference to Mary Ann's birth place before but her actual baptism has always been a mystery.
This is what I have found so far;


In the 1851 census she is listed as 1 month old born Debenham

In the 1861     "         "     "    "      "  10 years of age "         "

In the 1881     "         "     "    "      "   29   "           "    "         "   (5 years older than Robert)

In the 1901     "         "     "    "      "   48   "           "    "         "   (6 years    "        "         "

Mary Ann (nee Spall) - variants Spaul/Sporle -  was listed as being 3 years older than Robert on their marriage cert. in 1878.

I think its safe to assume she was baptised in Debenham but where? 

Other rootschatters have kindly looked in the Debenham PRs without any success

Update;  I haves found a reference to her birth on FreeBMD and have taken the plunge and ordered a certificate. See what happens when it
arrives in Dec.



Lacey's Farm was taken from my grandfather's army book saying his parents (Robert & Mary Ann) were still alive and
living at Lacey's Farm. His two brothers were also still living but address not mentioned.

I do not have any firm dates for their deaths/burials other than what has been mentioned before and FreeBMD does not
show any reference to Mary Ann either.


Alan

[Suffolk Mawther]

Do you think it could have been a non-conformist baptism?  there was an Independent Chapel (now the United Reform church).

If you go to the Debenham website, there is a link to Suzie Morley who has PRs etc and helps with family history in the town.

http://www.debenhamfamilyhistory.org.uk/church_records.htm

this page gives the dates and events for those records that she holds.

Pat ...

[ribbo39]

Hi Pat,

Thank you for the suggestion.
I have already emailed Suzie Morley so will wait in anticipation
to see what she is able to un-earth.

Thank you again for the link.

Alan

[Annette7]

This could be Mary Ann's death entry:

Mary A. Ribbans   aged 76     died Dec.qtr. 1927 Colchester

I note Robert died in Mar.qtr.1927 Ipswich - Mary could have gone to live with a relative living in Colchester after his death hence her death there. 

Annette

[ribbo39]

Hi Annette7,

I think you have it.  1927 is the date I had been given given previously but discarded because it was in Essex.

I now find that one of her three sons  Archdale (Archibald) was an engine driver in Essex,  so yes,  she could have gone there to live after my g.grandfather (Robert)  had died sometime earlier that year.

my grandfather also died young in March 1927 so it was a bad year all round.

Thank you for finding the info.

Alan

[ribbo39]

Think I can help with Mary Ann's details.  I located the family on the 1861C living in Font St, Debenham.  Parents John & Emily.  It gives Mary Ann's place of birth as Debenham.  Free BMD list a Mary Ann Spaull in the MarQ 1851 Bosmere District 12/367.  Debenham is in Bosmere.

Hi Keziah,
Thank you regarding the above look up. As you can see from other replies, it may be a non-conformist baptism
and which I'm now chasing up.

Just as a point of interest,  the mother's name is Eleanor and not Emily and had been wrongly transcribed in the 1861 census.
I have the marriage certificate which clearly states their names as John Spall & Eleanor Browse in 1843 and Emily was the
eldest child.

Thank you for your help. Much appreciated

Alan