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Re: America Line Dock in Liverpool?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 17 November 10 15:40 GMT (UK) »
I suppose it doesn't matter really. He probably went to Liverpool with his daughter and stayed a day or two until he got passage to a ship. It is good that the main area where passenger ships left and entered has been pinned down a bit as being near Princes Dock.
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: America Line Dock in Liverpool?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 17 November 10 17:53 GMT (UK) »
As a postscript, the Princes landing stage was closed in 1973 when transatlantic passenger services from Liverpool ceased and the whole thing was scrapped. There still exists a landing stage at the Pier Head which is directly in front of the "Three Graces" http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/exhibitions/worldheritagecity/ThreeGraces.asp which is used for the ferries that cross the Mersey. This landing stage is technically the George's Landing Stage.

There is also now a terminal for cruise ships with talk of introducing some sailings between New York and Liverpool.

I gotta say that it is amazing the number of people living in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and even places like Argentina who can find a connection in their family tree to Liverpool. Apparently something like nine million people emigrated though Liverpool http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/archive/displayGuide.aspx?sid=67&mode=html&sorStr=&serStr=&pgeInt=&catStr
Chandler: Manningford Bruce, Wiltshire
Whitehead: North Newton, Somerset
Watson: Workington, Cumbria
Bradshaw: Manchester, Lancashire
Walklett: St Petersburg, Russia
Ingham: Liverpool, Lancashire
Stevens: St Erth, Cornwall

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Re: America Line Dock in Liverpool?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 03 December 10 15:55 GMT (UK) »
I did hear many Europeans on their way to America and Canada in the 1800s from Germany, Poland etc stopped off in Liverpool on the way.
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: America Line Dock in Liverpool?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 03 December 10 17:24 GMT (UK) »
Taking this even further from 'departures from docks', some of the larger liners did not berth at the Princes Stage because of their deep draught, but anchored in the river, with passengers and baggage transferred from the shore by tender.
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Re: America Line Dock in Liverpool?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 03 December 10 21:49 GMT (UK) »
Ainslie, yes you are right. Larger ships were unable to berth at the Princes and George Stage until the 1890's and did, indeed, as I said in my first reply to coombs, anchor  "in the river and passengers were ferried to them  in small boats. After the river was dredged the liners could tie up at the landing stage and passengers were able to use gangplanks"

Coombs, Europeans from countries such as Finland, Germany, Norway, Poland, Russia and Sweden who were looking for a new life in - mostly - America and Canada generally travelled by ship to the UK through the Baltic and North Sea to ports on the north east coast of England such as Hull and Harlepool. From these ports the vast majority would travel by train across to Liverpool and complete their journey to their New World from their
Chandler: Manningford Bruce, Wiltshire
Whitehead: North Newton, Somerset
Watson: Workington, Cumbria
Bradshaw: Manchester, Lancashire
Walklett: St Petersburg, Russia
Ingham: Liverpool, Lancashire
Stevens: St Erth, Cornwall

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Re: America Line Dock in Liverpool?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 21 February 11 23:31 GMT (UK) »
The Leaving Of Liverpool

Farewell to Princes' landing stage River Mersey fare thee well
I am bound for California, a place I know right well

So fare thee well my own true love
When I return united we will be
It's not the leaving of Liverpool that grieves me
But my darling when I think of thee

I have sailed with Burgess once before, I think I know him well
If a man's a sailor he will get along, if not then he's sure in hell

So fare thee well my own true love
When I return united we will be
It's not the leaving of Liverpool that grieves me
But my darling when I think of thee

Farewell to Lower Frederick Street, Anson Terrace and Park Lane
I am bound away for to leave you and I'll never see you again

So fare thee well my own true love
When I return united we will be
It's not the leaving of Liverpool that grieves me
But my darling when I think of thee

I am bound for California by way of stormy Cape Horn
And I will write to thee a letter, love, when I am homeward bound

So fare thee well my own true love
When I return united we will be
It's not the leaving of Liverpool that grieves me
But my darling when I think of thee

I've shipped on a Yankee clipper ship, "Davy Crockett" is her name
And Burgess is the captain of her and they say that she's a floating hell

So fare thee well my own true love
When I return united we will be
It's not the leaving of Liverpool that grieves me
But my darling when I think of thee


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Re: America Line Dock in Liverpool?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 21 February 11 23:51 GMT (UK) »
During WW2  something like one million US servicemen arrived at Liverpool. There was a rail station adjacent to the Landing Stage,  Riverside, I believe it was called.    So they could disembark from the troop transports, take a short walk  to the rail station,  for onward travel to  a camp.   There is an engraved   stone plaque at the Pier Head  ( on the wall of what used to be the floating and flexible roadway down to the landing stage)   commemorating the part which the port played  during WW2  in the handling of men and   munitions, and supplies from the USA.
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Re: America Line Dock in Liverpool?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 22 February 11 00:05 GMT (UK) »
As a postscript, the Princes landing stage was closed in 1973 when transatlantic passenger services from Liverpool ceased and the whole thing was scrapped. There still exists a landing stage at the Pier Head which is directly in front of the "Three Graces" http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/exhibitions/worldheritagecity/ThreeGraces.asp which is used for the ferries that cross the Mersey. This landing stage is technically the George's Landing Stage.

There is also now a terminal for cruise ships with talk of introducing some sailings between New York and Liverpool.

I gotta say that it is amazing the number of people living in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and even places like Argentina who can find a connection in their family tree to Liverpool. Apparently something like nine million people emigrated though Liverpool http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/archive/displayGuide.aspx?sid=67&mode=html&sorStr=&serStr=&pgeInt=&catStr

       I am not completely sure that your first paragraph above is totally accurate.      Maybe the Princes Landing stage was reduced in length in 1973.   But there was still a floating landing stage with the floating roadway down to it well after 1973.   I recall HMS Brittania tied up there in the 1980s.
About 5 or six years ago in strong gales,   there was severe damage to one or more of the walkways connecting the landing stage to the Pier Head, do you remember that?
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Re: America Line Dock in Liverpool?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 19 March 11 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Maybe my Thomas Musgrave from Durham went to Hartlepool or Hull or Newcastle then got the train to Liverpool then boarded a ship bound for America.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain