Thomas BEACH and "Avery Scales"

[king william]

Many thanks to all of you, I can now change what needs to be changed and add to the history, all very much appreciated.
Robin

[jim1]

You can't add any of this just yet as it hasn't been verified,at the moment it's only guesswork.
Just to add to the confusion there's another Thomas Beach b.1797 Solihull to William & Mary,I'm just giving info. on what you have but how certain are you your Thomas is the son of Joseph?Has this been verified?
There's already at least one error in the tree you were given,how sure are you there aren't others?
sorry if I sound negative but you don't want someone elses family.

jim

[king william]

Jim,
This Beach family is all very confusing and has also been very hard to do as my mother never knew any of her father Edward's family. He was killed in World War 1 and when I asked my mother about her family she said "don't delve!"
After my mother's death I began to "delve" for Edward's beginnings and found he had been born in Birmingham about 1862/7, (the son of Josiah Beach who was born in Yardley in 1835) and had come to New Zealand with his family about the age of seven. The information on the IGI was given by an Alice Beach in Dunedin so I phoned the Beach family and was told that Alice had died but gave me a Christchurch name. I contacted these people who had always wondered what happened to Edward, who was obviously the black sheep of the family.
The information I have is from them and from another very kind lady who I am currently in contact with and who has sent me a copy of census documents from Yardley in 1841 which show Thomas Beach, an ag. lab. aged 40, his wife Avice, and Josiah aged 4. That proves that our Thomas was the one who married Avice Shepherd in Alvechurch in 1823  as it appears to be the right Josiah Beach.
That information was always a given as obviously Josiah had some documents and history about his family.
It is back beyond Thomas and just who his parents were that I have never questioned as I was so kindly given the information from people who have researched the family. The question only arose because I discovered a few days ago that the Avery family were connected to the Beach family and I went to this forum to ask some questions not thinking for a minute that the info. I had was in doubt.
It would be nice to sort it out. but I do not know how. I will email the kind lady again and ask her where she came by the information although I think it would have been from the deceased Alice Beach.
You may have seen on the news that we have just had a mine disaster in NZ here with 29 trapped men so a lot of focus is on that.
Many thanks for your help and encouragement and wise words
Robin

[king william]

Just another very important fact I left out and have just remembered. The very kind relative who has sent me the Beach family information, told me that she received information from a relative in England that the wife of Joseph Beach (and mother of Thomas) was not Mary Field, but Elizabeth Field.
I did go into the IGI and found a couple of the right time and the approximate place, one born in 1762 and one in 1768.
This may make a huge difference to the outcome as I know the one on the IGI gives Mary Field as the wife of Joseph, but of course that is not necessarily the right one.
Robin

[jim1]

There isn't a Joseph Beach marriage to Elizabeth Field or a Thomas born to Joseph & Elizabeth.
There isn't a birth for Elizabeth Field in Solihull Parish.
The 2 you found I assume are the same as I found in Tanworth,one appears to have married a Thomas Adkins & the other as coincidence would have it married an Isaac Mortiboys.
I think you should put all of this on the back burner & just start again from Thomas & Avice as they are the last known fact.
What you need are the marriage details for Thomas & Avice & try & establish if one of Thomas' siblings were witness.My advice would be to contact Worcs.Records office,give the marriage date,explain your circumstances & ask if they can email back with the details.I've not dealt with Worcs.RO but I know in Warks. they do this free of charge.
The birth records for Thomas & the marriage records for Joseph are held at Solihull Library.i haven't got time at present but will go into Solihull in a couple of weeks & get the info. & we'll try & sort it out from there.
jim

[king william]

Jim,
Great idea - I will email Worcs. record office and try my luck. If you are in the area and could ask at the library, that would be wonderful.
Many many thanks
Robin

[king william]

Jim,
I emailed the Worcs. Record Office as you suggested and Christine, a very kind lady looked up the marriage for me and gave me the names of the witnesses - they were Hannah Court and Edward Cowen, the name of Cowen was not very clear. She said the names of the parents were not on the certificate in those days.
I have googled those names every which way and cannot find anything to link them to my Thomas and Avice. On the IGI there were several Ann Court's born in Tanworth and one in Berkswell, I tried to see if the mother's maiden name in each case was Shepherd or Beach which would make Hannah a sister of Avice or Thomas but nothing.
Not sure which way to turn now,
Robin

[jim1]

Did you get all of the information?what you need to know is,was Thomas "of this Parish" & did they marry by Banns or licence.

jim

[jim1]

Christenings St.Alphege Solihull:
Jan.4th.1796:Thomas son of Joseph & Mary Beach of Tanworth.
Jan.1st.1797:Thomas son of William & Mary Beach.
Marriage Hampton-in-Arden:
Sept.25th.1791:Joseph Beach of the Parish of Stratford-on-Avon signed:own hand
                     Mary Mortiboys of this Parish signed:own hand
     Witnesses: Eliza Proctor signed:own hand
                    Thomas Beach signed:own hand
Christening Hampton-in-Arden
Jan.29th.1764:Mary Mortiboys adult person 13 years daughter of Joseph & Anne Mortiboys residing with her uncle in Hampton.
As Thomas b.1796 is from Tanworth he's unlikely to be yours.
Thomas b.1797 is from Solihull so he is the most likely.
Unfortunately there is a dearth of information at this time so you have to glean from it what you can.
The Joseph Beach & Mary Mortiboys info. is surplus to requirements but I put it up anyway as the decision is yours.
These are the family details for Thomas b.1797:
Parents: William Beach & Mary Cooper m.13/10/1795 St.Alphege Solihull
Siblings:
Elizabeth/12/10/1798
John/16/11/1800
Hannah/26/2/1804
Sarah/20/7/1811
William/27/5/1813
Esther/9/8/1815/d.1837
All St.Alphege's.

jim