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Maddock history in Wales
« on: Tuesday 07 December 10 13:12 GMT (UK) »
Hello all,
I'm new to this so please bear with me. I'm searching for anything that will help me to locate missing links in the Maddock line, Noticeably Thomas 1889 born in the Rhonda valley Maesycwmer I believe.He appears in the 1901 census at 10 Bryn St. No death cert found or war records,as he was a miner I believe he was exempt conscription but again can find no lists or records. I'm led to believe he may have emigrated to Canada as that country was desperate for trained miners. I think he joined his sister Mary Ann.
His great great grandfather William b1773/5 and wife Mary ? married in Wales in 1784 they are the first of this line and they appear in Merthyr Tidfyl. It has been suggested to me that William and Mary must have arrived in Merthyr to start work at the new mine as the area was uninhabited before this area.
I have no information on the history of the area or of the different mines that either of them may have worked in added to this the constant changing of the borders and county names, as you can imagine its limiting and frustrating to say the least.Spellchecking is disastrous!!  :D
Other lines of my ancestors I can get back to middle ages and beyond but the Maddock Linethat I have named my tree after remains stubbornly absent!!!!! Any local historians who know this area well please contact me ditto any other Maddocks. Thanks for listening. Helen
Rhondda valleys, wales. Maddock. Males missing. Currently reasearching Merthyr Tudfyl

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Re: Maddock history in Wales
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 December 10 04:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,
I am fairly new to Rootschat too.   Just a suggestion  :)  I think you would have better luck if you posted your question in the Wales forum.  You might be more likely to find people who can help you - especially with your question about the history of mining in Merthyr Tydfil 

As for Thomas - you said he has a sister named Mary Ann who went to Canada.  I see her on the 1901 census with the family in Monmouthshire.  She is 3 years old.  Did Mary Ann marry before she went to Canada?  If you know where she went in Canada, or what her married name might be (if she had one), that would be a big help.   It might make it easier to track her down, and if Thomas went to live with her, it might help find him too.  

Sorry I can't be of much help at the moment.
Happy Holidays,
RK   

        

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Re: Maddock history in Wales
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 26 December 10 23:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi Helen,
       Have a look here; there's a wealth of information:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/MerthyrTydfil/index.html
                     Happy hunting,
                                      Pinot  :)

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Re: Maddock history in Wales
« Reply #3 on: Friday 31 December 10 11:27 GMT (UK) »
Many many thanks for Merthyr Tydfil link its so much info its overwhelming. Once the kids are back to school I will have lots of time to follow up on all the leads that you have given me. Helen
Rhondda valleys, wales. Maddock. Males missing. Currently reasearching Merthyr Tudfyl


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Re: Maddock history in Wales
« Reply #4 on: Friday 31 December 10 11:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi RunKitty many thanks for taking the time to look at my family in the census.

As far as I know Mary Ann was not married at the time she emigrated to Canada and Thomas followed her later is the general picture but still have to wade through all of the passenger lists. Have found one likely traveller registered as Maddocks but what with the Christmas period I still have not had time to follow it up yet.
Oher members have sent me the most fabulous links for the Merthyr region including all the likely church registers of that area, amazing eh!
The kindness and generosity of other people who are also researching their family trees never fails to amaze me.
I have the record in my shoebox on ancestry about Mary Anns emigration which I will try to send to you just as soon as the kids go back to school and I can hear myself think. When you looked at the census did you see that Thomas and Mary Ann lived next door to each later in life?
Im looking forward to getting back into the family tree now that the holidays are over so I hope to have more info to mail soon.
Helen.
Rhondda valleys, wales. Maddock. Males missing. Currently reasearching Merthyr Tudfyl

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Re: Maddock history in Wales
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 January 11 00:31 GMT (UK) »
Hello  :)

Merthyr grew very quickly in the second half of the eighteenth century so that by 1801 there were more than 8000 people living there.

Here's another link:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/ITmerthyr.htm

Kind regards
Morgan

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Re: Maddock history in Wales
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 02 January 11 01:25 GMT (UK) »
Helen,
Have you managed to trace your Thomas Maddock through census 1891-1901, and his family back to 1841 (Richard Maddock b1800/6) ?
HO107 Piece 750 Book 5

How did you find William and Mary?

also there's a possible marriage in 1915 (June quarter), of Thomas Maddock and Blanche L Harris
Newport M volume 11a page 510

Best wishes
Morgan

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Re: Maddock history in Wales
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 05 January 11 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Hello Morgan, thank you so much for taking the time to help me, im genuinely touched by peoples kindness during research over the last two years.

 have an amazing heritage but the Maddock line stubbornly refuses to be found enraging when I can trace other lines of my tree back to the mists of time.
I have been using Ancestry and find them very good apart from the very specific Welsh Valleys.
 Both my grandfathers hail from the Rhondda+Rhimney so its as Welsh as it gets and proud of it to boot.
 Apparently the Maddock motto means spread out to defend and it makes me grin everytime I think about it. How can invaders find a place if they cant pronounce it and the spellchecker renders all Welsh place names into sandscrit!!! lol

The marriage you found between Blanche and Thomas both b 1889 in Maesycwmmer has been documented and in fact produced my grandfather Kenneth 1915-1997. Thomas was a miner and Blanche was the cook at the local school so the locals told me when I visited the area.

Blanche and Ken crossed the bridge probably looking for work? and are buried together in Trowbridge cemetery in a family plot but where is Thomas.?
He is documented for the marriage+birth but has no death cert or military record.
As a miner Im assuming he was exempt but have no idea how to trace exempt lists or which mine he worked at. Do you know?
 Grampy (Ken) would never discuss his father so I asumed he lost him in the war and was too sad to talk about it, also when we were kids we simply didnt ask did we? but like I said no war record.
Im led to think he must have emigrated and I simply have not found where yet.

There is also some confusion as to, was it, his Aunt Mary Ann who died in Monroe Iowa he went to or his sister Mary Ann who im told emigrated to Canada post war.(repeating names are as much a hinderance as a help)
 Many did apparently, perhaps a local historian would know, the Welsh Valleys is a specialised subject I find. Post War Wales was particularly hard hit and Canada was begging for skilled workers.

I still visit relatives in Bridgend and drive up the mountains as often as I can just because I can, roots and all that I recken. Perhaps Thomas did get drafted after all and the records simply went up in the famous fire that destroyed a lot of the war records but I dont think so.

I really feel for Thomas what a choice leave all you know and risk a brave new life or stay with family in post war valley life, grim eh. My instinct tells me he wanted to go but Leah refused due to family pressure....its kinder than thinking he simply abandoned a new wife and baby son.  If you have even a wisp or trace of info I would be truly grateful as im haunted by his absense.


Yes I have Richard b Merthyr 1800 and I think his parents were William and Mary because I saw a baptismal record but like a fool I noted the details not the resource. Any other candidates you find Id really appreciate a lead.

William Maddock born in Llangynwyd 1773 seems to fit the bill but so many William Maddock how can I tell? I know it should be Maddocks but I hate it when people put an s on the end of my name!

It appears to be between Evan+Gwen ne Hopkins m 16th Oct 1784 (Llanfabon?) my scribble is appalling  Glamorgan  or

Rees b1722-d 1788+Jennet ne Thomas b1735-d1883

I really need a fresh pair of eyes on this line,its frustrated me for long enough so I really hope that your expertise can set me off on the right path again. If this fires your interest I could send you an invitation to my tree at Ancestry where all the details are kept rather than this as hoc rambling!

Thankyou for listening and best wishes

Helen Maddock
Rhondda valleys, wales. Maddock. Males missing. Currently reasearching Merthyr Tudfyl

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Re: Maddock history in Wales
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 05 January 11 19:03 GMT (UK) »
Hello Helen,   :)

There's certainly a lot of questions still to find answers!

I guess the 2 things that you'd really like to find are:
a) who were Richard's parents?
b) what happened to Thomas?

Re Richard, you need Parish registers probably in Merthyr to find his Baptism. If you haven't already looked, you could also try the wills on National Library of Wales site to see whether any Maddock wills mention Richard.

http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=487

Re Thomas, we need to find a death record or find him on a passenger list. Divorce was more unusual then but I guess it's not impossible.  :-\

I'll give it some more thought and will let you know if I find anything  :)

Kind regards
Morgan