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samuel HOGGARD, Budby
« on: Tuesday 14 December 10 23:39 GMT (UK) »
Samuel Hoggard was born around 1824 in Budby.
He married Susannah Bartholemew, all saints near skegness.

I am looking for his birth date (there are other Samuels born near by but not in Budby)
Also looking for him in 1841n 1851 census.

Also looking for his marriage date.

Samuel was a photographer and in 1861 he is in York with wife and children.

In 1871 1881 he is in East Coatham. Redcar.

His son John Edward Hoggard has been traced.
I tracked one daughter to boarding school in Manchester (seemed very early for
Girls to be educated away from home - is this normal? I think it was 1871.

Any clues as to who his parents might be would be gratefully received.

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Re: samuel HOGGARD, Budby
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 December 10 02:30 GMT (UK) »
according to the beta site on family search england marriages 1538-1973
there is this marriage
groom; samuel hoggard
grooms father; john hoggard
bride; susannah bartholomew
brides father; thomas bartholomew
date of marriage 14th feb 1869
place of marriage; st.judes,st.pancras,middlesex
are you sure it was susannah bartholomew that he married

i can see that he is married to a susannah in 1861
the one above who married in 1869 was a photographer
his father's occupation  was a smith
susannahs fathers occupation was farmer
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Re: samuel HOGGARD, Budby
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 December 10 09:00 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much.  Sometimes doing the tree you can find more puzzles than answers! 

This has to be the couple as they named their son John and samuel was a photographer.

Susannah's father was Thomas although an earlier census  says he was a tailor and shopkeeper.

Also in 1881 John, their son, was lodging with a smithy in Scotland! Which goes a little way  towards explaining that link.

Susannah was named as formerly Bartholomew in their childs birth certificate


However, why would this couple marry so late after their children were born? And why in London ?

Did it give their ages?


In 1861 it shows they had a daughter Dinah Matilda born 1860 but I found no f
urther trace for her. Maybe she died and this prompted a marriage?


It was 1881 when n Lily (16). Was at boarding school.

I need to also find Susannah's date of death.

Since posting this I notice there is a family tree for Thomas Bartholomew posted on line. Says Thomas was born about 1796 in Sotby?, burial 3/10/1873 Occupation Postmaster/Grocer/Tailor
Married Elizabeth Knott who was born 1801 in Broughton married about 1823 in Wrawby?

Thomas's parents Thomas b about 1172 burial 8/11/1839 married Elizabeth Gowshall born before 11/91770 christened 10/9/1770 in Fotherby married 14/3/1797 in Sotby burial 21/1/1856 - farmer.

Thanks once again.



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Re: samuel HOGGARD, Budby
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 December 10 10:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Red Ash,

The IGI has a Submitted Record which needs to be checked;
Samuel HOGGARD, Christened 30 March 1824, Edinstowe, Nottingham, England
Parents;
John HOGGARD and Ann ARMSTRONG

Now from what I have found Edinstowe is very near to Budby about 2 Miles.

I havent Census access til this weekend but if no one else has helped I will look then for Samuel 1841/1851.

There is also further Submitted info;
John HAGGARD, Parents WILLIAM Hoggard and Elizabeth ASHMORE
John Married Ann Armstrong 05 June 1820, Edwinstowe, Nottingham

Trish :)
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Re: samuel HOGGARD, Budby
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 December 10 10:47 GMT (UK) »
Thank you.  Now things are starting to come together. I have seen Sanuel from edwinstowe but dismissed it but as Budby is tiny a child my need to be registered to Edwinstowe.

I have copies of an A,, Hoggard in 1851 and 1861 living with sister Mary Armstrong - so now I can link those to the tree. Thank you for this.

Their lace of birth is Budby. Samuel or other chikdren are not with them..

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Re: samuel HOGGARD, Budby
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 15 December 10 10:53 GMT (UK) »
Ok there is a Christopher HOGGARD born c 1822 Budby living in Nether Hallam, Yorks in the 1871 Census.
IGI has Submitted Record of him being a Child of John/Ann also Christened Edinstowe.

My Net download is at its limit so I cant actually look at the image.
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Re: samuel HOGGARD, Budby
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 December 10 11:10 GMT (UK) »
Interesting as I have copies of census records with Hoggard in my file and there was a Christopher Hogard aged 35 in 1841 in Kneesal near Edwinstowe. I did not think there was a link until now.

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Re: samuel HOGGARD, Budby
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 December 10 11:19 GMT (UK) »
We are not really sure but it looks promising. Someone obviuosly in the past has looked at Parish records but hopefully someone can confirm what we suspect.

Back soon, think I have found John in 1841 but have been waiting for image to load ::)
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Re: samuel HOGGARD, Budby
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 15 December 10 11:25 GMT (UK) »
Ok. I can check ancestry later today.

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