COMPLETED : 1851-1871 Census Lookup please

[Gaye]

Morning

You can see now how the confusion arises with the two Samuel Foss - BUT one is Samuel BEART Foss b.1839-1840 Dorset the other Samuel Foss b.1850-51 Salisbury

The latter definitely dies in New Zealand 1908 and is married to Mary Pool Ker
who also dies here in 1919   They have a son b.1882 who is named Samuel James BEART Foss and he died WWI in France   

The BEART name must tie them somehow to the other Foss family.

Interesting to see a visitor Wilhelmina Ker b. Tewkesbury at the 1871 Foss household but again the age for this Samuel is 10 years out.  Mary Pool Ker is also born in Tewkesbury so they may be related both sides of the family.

curiouser and curiouser

Gaye

[Gaye]

Trying to attack it from another angle.

Could you do a search for the 1871 Census in Wanborough
Samuel Foss b.1850
Mary Pool wife b.1850 Tewkesbury
Georgina Marie dau b. Sept quarter 1871 Wanborough


Maybe will throw more light on the family and relatives.

Gaye

[tazzie]

  Glad I am not alone in being confused..
  There is no birth registered @1850+/- for a Samuel Foss
  Samuel Beart Foss registered in 1839 Bridport
 & a plain Samuel Foss in 1839 Alderbury Wiltshire.

  I need another look at this lot.

  Tazzie

  Have already given 1871 Mary is given as Maria daughter would not show yet.

[Gaye]

Hi Tazzie

Well I'll be blowed by this one.
The only evidence of the 1850-51 DOB is from 1881 Census, grave headstone AND details on the son's WWI memorial site.  All else points to Samuel Foss as being b.1839-1840 including I now find, the NZ BMD online with his death age 67years.  So I think we've found him and family in that 1871 Census you've given.

As to the middle name of BEART I can't see where he's ever used it - none of his childrens birth in NZ BMD online shows that name for the father, just plain Samuel.  However, the fact that he gave his son that name says he is connected somewhere along the line to the BEART family - as is the other Samuel Beart Foss - and interestingly, his grandson b.1920 features it as a middle name.

I found an old 2005 post on another site about Samuel Foss and emailed to see if they had established anything - got an answer this morning :-
"christened 10 Jan 1841 Downton Wiltshire UK
Came to NZ 1881-1882
1885 Taratahi Dairy Manager
D 16 Feb 1908 Hukanui Pahiatua NZ
D 15 Feb 1908 age 67 in family bible
1896 Newspaper reports indicate a holiday in the UK after 11 years in the Taratahi job

Son of John Foss and Emma (Beart) Brit Isles Vital Rec idx FHL Film 1279375 dates 1601-1904

M 1870 Aug 30 Samuel Foss 29 Bach farmer and Mary Pool Ker 19 Spin @Christ Church Battersea Surrey entry #189
            M by license by WilboreMaeCarthy Curate
            Witnesses: James Ker and Georgina Ker"


Did you see that?  EMMA BEART was the mother of Samuel Foss??
Blimey charlie what a tangled one this is!!!

Best wishes for today!
GAYE

[larakeet]

Hi Tazzie ..

Can you please provide more details of Betsey mentioned below ..

I don't have her in the tree but understand that John was married to Emma Beart followed by Rachel Charles.

"
  So why do they both use Beart (as the surname of John Foss' first wife)
 Samuel Beart Foss b @ 1838 is also son of John with a wife called Betsey maiden name Margrie
"

Thanks

[tazzie]

  Hi ....

  Samuel Beart Foss was the son of John Foss & Betsey Margrie they married in Charmouth in 1829.

 The other Samuel Foss was the son of another John...
                              John Foss & Emma Beart who married in 1835 in Long Bredy  so 2 families both somehow connected to both Foss & Breart..... as yet I have not found how.

 Tazzie

[Gaye]

Hiya Tazzie

Yes you have that all correct - The elusive EMMA BEART b.abt 1816 d.1848 Dorset was John Foss' first wife and mother of the children. 
Doesn't appear that his second wife Rachel Charles had any children to him.

So who then is Emma's family - I'm unsure where she is from although since she married in Dorset she is probably from that area? 

I don't believe we have John Foss' 1841 Census (he is a dairyman not an Inn Keeper as per the HO107/1174/8 entry although the wife and childrens names are the same the ages are not)      Or am I wrong on that?

Gaye

[Yak3]

Hi - haven't much info on the "Foss" side but I believe Mary Pool could be the daughter of James Ker - born Scotland - Tea Dealer age 40 on 1851 Census - Barton Street Tewkesbury
Wife- Betsy age 29 born Newbury Berkshire
Daughters: Georgianna age 9; Anne age 8; Wilhelmina age 6; Margret age 4; and Mary P. age 0
Sons: Francis J. age 5; William age 3; John age 1;
James brothers - William age 31 and George age 27 - both Tea Dealers born in Scotland were also there on census night.

James Ker married Ann Collins on March 8th 1840 at Tewkesbury Abbey
Ann Ker died 1843 in Tewkesbury age 27
James Ker married Betsy Buckland in 1843 at Tewkesbury Registry Office
Anne and Georgianna mother is Collins - the remainder is Buckland

I do not know if Mary P. is Mary Pool but with Wilhelmina visiting on a later Census - it would suggest so.

[Gaye]

Thanks for that info Yak - can we find the 1861-1871 Census for
the Ker's??

I have James Ker & Elizabeth wife 1881 Census : -
96 Khyber Road Battersea Surrey
RG11 0644 / 115 Page 31
James KER Head aged 70  b. Annan, Scotland  Traveller      
Elizth. KER  Wife aged 60 b.    Newbury, Berkshire, England            
Francis J. KER      Son U aged 35 b. Tewkesbury, Gloucester,
Perfumers Warehouseman (M S)      
Georgina M. FOSS  Grand Dau aged 9 b. Wanborough, Wiltshire
Alice R. FOSS  Grand Dau aged 8 b. Wanborough, Wiltshire          
Agnes M. FOSS  Grand Dau age  2 b. Wanborough, Wiltshire 

Gaye