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Re: John Wright Crosby & Margaret Crellin, Liverpool
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 24 June 21 16:54 BST (UK) »
and yes - I googled Scrofula - it is caused by Tubercerlosis...in the neck
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Re: John Wright Crosby & Margaret Crellin, Liverpool
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 24 June 21 17:19 BST (UK) »
here you go
Margaret Crellin b 1832 Liverpool
1851 census
Household   Role   Sex   Age   Birthplace
James Crellin   Head   Male   47   Isle Of Man Ramley,
Jane Crellin   Wife   Female   48   Liverpool, Lancashire
Margaret Crellin   Daughter   Female   19   Liverpool, Lancashire
James Crellin   Son   Male   17   Liverpool, Lancashire
Edward Crellin   Son   Male   16   Liverpool, Lancashire
Jane Crellin   Daughter   Female   14   Liverpool, Lancashire
Sarah Crellin   Daughter   Female   12   Liverpool, Lancashire
Thomas Crellin   Son   Male   6   Liverpool, Lancashire
Harriet Ellis   Servant   Female   29   Liverpool, Lancashire
Charlotte Birchall   Servant   Female   17   Liverpool, Lancashire

...................
so parents were James Crellin from Ramsey in the Isle of Man and Jane ??? from Liverpool ... the Margaret Crellin who died 1834  is irrelevant  :)
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Re: John Wright Crosby & Margaret Crellin, Liverpool
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 June 21 20:24 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage?

James Crellin
Jane Lone [as transcribed - image unclear]
Banns:    14 Aug 1825 Liverpool, St Philip,

Bishops transcripts suggest she was Jane Lowe  - marriage August 25th. He's transcribed on Ancestry as Crollin

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Re: John Wright Crosby & Margaret Crellin, Liverpool
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 June 21 20:35 BST (UK) »
Hmm - 7 years before 1st born ??...good shout - but needs looking in to -unless they had a child that died ???
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Re: John Wright Crosby & Margaret Crellin, Liverpool
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 24 June 21 21:29 BST (UK) »
Hmm - 7 years before 1st born ??...good shout - but needs looking in to -unless they had a child that died ???

Oldest child with them on 1841 was b c1827

Elizabeth Crellin
Baptism Date:    4 Dec 1826     Liverpool,
Father:    James Crellin, plumber and glazier
Mother:    Jane Crellin
Address Mansfield St

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Re: John Wright Crosby & Margaret Crellin, Liverpool
« Reply #14 on: Friday 25 June 21 17:32 BST (UK) »
Hmm - 7 years before 1st born ??...good shout - but needs looking in to -unless they had a child that died ???


here you go Margaret Crellin b 1832 Liverpool

1851 census
Household   Role   Sex   Age   Birthplace
James Crellin   Head   Male   47   Isle Of Man Ramley,
Jane Crellin   Wife   Female   48   Liverpool, Lancashire
Margaret Crellin   Daughter   Female   19   Liverpool, Lancashire
James Crellin   Son   Male   17   Liverpool, Lancashire
Edward Crellin   Son   Male   16   Liverpool, Lancashire
Jane Crellin   Daughter   Female   14   Liverpool, Lancashire
Sarah Crellin   Daughter   Female   12   Liverpool, Lancashire
Thomas Crellin   Son   Male   6   Liverpool, Lancashire
Harriet Ellis   Servant   Female   29   Liverpool, Lancashire
Charlotte Birchall   Servant   Female   17   Liverpool, Lancashire

...................
so parents were James Crellin from Ramsey in the Isle of Man and Jane ??? from Liverpool ...

the Margaret Crellin who died 1834  is irrelevant  :)


Oldest child with them on 1841 was b c1827

Elizabeth Crellin
Baptism Date:    4 Dec 1826     Liverpool,
Father:    James Crellin, plumber and glazier
Mother:    Jane Crellin
Address Mansfield St

1841 Piece:   560 Folio:   22 Page Number:   37
Renshaw Street
James Crellin   35 Plumber - noted as not born in this county
Jane Crellin   35
Elizabeth Crellin   14
MARGARET Crellin   9
James Crellin   8
Edward Crellin   6
Jane Crellin   5
Sarah Crellin   1 6 Mo
Ann Crellin   6 Mo

MARGARET Crellin
Baptism 26 Nov 1828 Nantwich, Cheshire
Father:   James Crellin, occ plumber Mother:   Jane, res. Nantwich
Details from Cheshire Parish Register Database

MARGARET Crosby
Death 26 Dec 1885 Metropolitan Borough of Liverpool, Merseyside, England
Cemetery:   St. John the Evangelist Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place:   Knotty Ash, Metropolitan Borough of Liverpool, Merseyside, England
Has Bio?:   Y
Spouse:   John Wright Crosby
Children:   Jane Crellin Crosby
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/203006514/margaret-crosby

Baptisms  St Peter Liverpool
parents James, plumber / glazier & Jane
Lancashire OPC https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

James Crellin      12 Aug 1833   Abode: Renshaw St

Edward Crellin           13 Jan 1835     Abode: Renshaw St.

Jane Crellin   born 28 May 1836   12 Dec 1837 Abode: Renshaw Street

Sarah Crellin      4 Oct 1837 Abode: Renshaw St.

Sarah Crellin     born 8 Oct 1839 28 Oct 1839  Abode: Renshaw St

Ann Crellin      5 Jan 1841   Abode: Renshaw St
   
Mary Crellin   born 17 Dec 1841   7 Jan 1842 Abode: Renshaw Street
   
Phillip Crellin   27 Jul 1843 Abode: Renshaw St

Thomas Crellin   born 2 Mar 1845   27 Mar 1845 Abode: Mt Pleasant      
       
1861 
West Derby Road
James Crellin widower 56 Isle of Man occ Plumber & brass founder
Jane 24 dau Liverpool
Sarah 21 dau Liverpool

James Crellin age 62 Bellefield House W Derby Road
Death    13 Dec 1864
Burial 17 Dec 1864 Liverpool Grave No 4899
Necropolis Low Hill Cemetery
England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016

Possible death entry for James' wife

Jane CRELLIN age   50 
GRO Reference: 1853  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 280

Not sure if these burials relate to the same James & Jane Crellin from 1841 census

Burial: 5 Jan 1831 Low Hill Cemetery, Everton
James Crellin age 8 months parents James Crellin & Jane Abode: Richmond Row
Grave: 6544
Cause of Death: Hoopg. Cough

Burial: 20 Feb 1831 Low Hill Cemetery, Everton, Lancashire
Margaret Crellin age 2 1/2 parents James Crellin & Jane Abode: Richmond Row
Grave: 5245
Cause of Death: Inflamn.

Was hoping to confirm mother Jane's maiden name on GRO Indexes using
Sarah, Mary or Thomas date of birth from baptism  but not found them at the moment  ???

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Re: John Wright Crosby & Margaret Crellin, Liverpool
« Reply #15 on: Friday 25 June 21 17:38 BST (UK) »
Low Hill Cemetery - The Necropolis - is now Grant Gardens- a rememberence Garden beautifully kept ... :)
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Re: John Wright Crosby & Margaret Crellin, Liverpool
« Reply #16 on: Friday 25 June 21 19:27 BST (UK) »
This could be another child, which would match the marriage found??

CRELLIN, WILLIAM        
mmn LOWE     
Q4 1838   LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 374

here we go

William Crellin
Age:    9 weeks
Death    11 Nov 1838
Burial    13 Nov 1838,    Low Hill (Necropolis) Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:    James Crellin
Mother:    Jane Crellin
Address    Renshaw St
Cause      [can't read - cuold be decline. It's a very common cause, listed regularly]

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Re: John Wright Crosby & Margaret Crellin, Liverpool
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 26 June 21 10:40 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage?

James Crellin
Jane Lone [as transcribed - image unclear]
Banns:    14 Aug 1825 Liverpool, St Philip,

Bishops transcripts suggest she was Jane Lowe  - marriage August 25th. He's transcribed on Ancestry as Crollin

This could be another child, which would match the marriage found??

CRELLIN, WILLIAM        
mmn LOWE     
Q4 1838   LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 374

here we go

William Crellin
Age:    9 weeks
Death    11 Nov 1838
Burial    13 Nov 1838,    Low Hill (Necropolis) Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:    James Crellin
Mother:    Jane Crellin
Address    Renshaw St
Cause      [can't read - cuold be decline. It's a very common cause, listed regularly]

Well found Mabel  :)

Philip's baptism was 1843 and he died 1843 -  I did wonder if this was another child named Phillip :-\
but there is a Phillip CURRIN born c 1845 Liverpool on 1851 census with mother Martha

CURRAN, PHILLIP       mmn LOWE
GRO Reference: 1845  J Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 466

Philip Crellin Age:   4/12
Death 14 Nov 1843
Burial 17 Nov 1843 Liverpool, Lancashire
Father:   James Crellin Mother:   Jane abode Mount Pleasant
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