James Hawkins marriage.

[bucksboy]

Is there any way of checking James Hawkins marriage to Annie Carman in 1883, without getting a cert.

j/a/s 1883. Oxford district. V.3a - P.1095.

I just need to know fathers name if possible.  Mother appears to be Salome Carman(nee.Trotman).

Father maybe Arthur Carman.

Steve.

[CaroleW]

Unless there are any local transcriptions for that period - you would need to know the name of the church they married in to look it up in parish records

The Oxford RD covered a wide area

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/oxford.html

[Pennie]

Hi Steve ...

I can find no record of a CARMAN/TROTMAN marriage on FreeBMD, or anything on the 1881 census for a Arthur and Salome CARMAN.

Searching for a birth registration for an "Annie CARMAN" on FreeBMD before 1870 only brings up one result:

1866 - Annie S. CARMAN - St. George Hanover Square (London)

This Annie appears in the 1871 census living in SGHS, but her parents are James and Hannah.

What is your source for "Salome CARMAN (nee TROTMAN)"?

Pennie

[CaroleW]

The source appears to be the 1861 census

There is a submitted IGI entry for the 1883 marriage showing her as Ann Carman b 1859 Chedworth Gloucs

The 1861 has a 2yr old Ann Carman b Chedworth and there is this extracted IGI entry

ANN CARMAN  Christening:  11 SEP 1859   Chedworth, Gloucester   
Father:  ALFRED CARMAN  - not Arthur  Mother:  SALOME 

They also christened son Joseph Benjamin Carman b 1856 London on the same day.

1861 shows a son Alfred b 1854 London

The 1861 shows mother Salome as married but she is in lodgings without a husband

The 1871 shows her as a widow living in Chedworth with all 3 children.  The 2 boys are shown as b Hoxton Middlesex

[CaroleW]

Salome Trotman baptised 7.6.1824 Chedworth - parents Thomas & Hannah

1861 shows Salome as 35 and she is 42 in 1871 - b Chedworth

[CaroleW]

It would be interesting to know what Alfred's occupation was as there is no marriage listed anywhere to a Salome

Births March qtr 1854
 
Alfred Carman  Shoreditch  1c 183

Births December qtr 1855   

Benjamin Carman   Shoreditch  1c 165

Births December qtr 1858 
 
Ann Carman Northleach  6a 317

[bucksboy]

Many thanks for the help. 

I've cobbled the info together from all the bits and pieces that I've found.

Oh well, looks like it'll have to be a cert.

The Northleach birth cert would be favourite.  I'll get the marriage cert afterwards.

Many thanks.

Steve.

[CaroleW]

There is no Alfred Carman death between 1851 -1871 so unless he was a mariner and died at sea - I wonder if he existed

[bucksboy]

It does make you wonder if he did.

I've got another 3 immaculate conceptions like this, and no chance of finding their father.

Is there anything bigger than a brickwall.

Thanks again.

Steve.