ROBBY BOY

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The nearest that I can come to a possible father in 1851 in the area is this one. I'm not convinced though and Robert is not there ~

Glasfryn, Hafod Maidd, Gwyddelwern
HO107/2509/51/13

Davies
Thomas, 43, Miller, b. Bryneglwys, Denbs
Sarah, 39, b. Halkin
Thomas, 11, b. Llandegla
John, 8, b. Mold
Margaret, 7, b. -do-
Elizabeth, 5, b. -do-
Price, 3, b. -do-
Liza Hannah, visitor, unm, 48, b. Bryneglwys


JL

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I've just noticed the Isaac described as brother on your 1861 - this would thus confirm the 1841 find - HO107/1428/15/11/15 with Thomas and Jane as parents.

JL

[Rol]

Mmm.  I couldn't see anything much in 1851 either,  though only had a quick look.

I do share your doubts about that one,  JL.  The Gwyddelwern name attracts;  but I think it is just the sub-RD.  Looks to me like the entry for Hafod y Maidd Mill near the hamlet of Glasfryn -- west of Cerrigydrudion,  rather than in the par. of Gwyddelwern.

Ref. Isaac -- yes,  I used him as the searching proxy and found the 1861 entry via him.

Got to go and do other things now,  unfortunately.


R

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Just adding this ~

In 1871, they're already in  Frith

RG10/3738/12/18

All down as b. Flintshire except daughter Martha Jane (note the Jane) down as born Llangollen. Robert now born Ruthin, Flintshire! Younger children and Arabella b. Mold


JL

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1891

Leeswood Mill, Mold
RG12/4610/76/14

Davies
Robert, 56, Miller, b. Ruthin
Isabella, 55, b. Mold
Robert N, grdson, 14, Waggoner, b. Hope

JL

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1901

Alun Bank, Pontblyddyn, Mold
RG13/5213/65/1&2

Davies
Robert, 70, retired miller, b. Gwyddelwern
Isabella, 69, b. Pantymwyn, Flints
Robert Thos, grdson, 16, farm labourer, b. Leeswood
plus two boarders

Unfortunately my Gwyddelwern records don't go that far 


JL

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Here are Jane and Isaac in 1851 - not yet found Robert

Gerraint, Bache, Llangollen
HO107/2509/458/9

Davies
Jane, widow, 49, b. Llandderfel, Merionethshire
Isaac, 12, b. Llangollen
Mary, 6, b. -do-


JL

[Rol]

You've made great strides,  JL.  Good to have found the widow and Isaac at Llangollen in 1851.

I have been taking a closer look at the topography.  Llwyn mill is not marked on Streetmap's version of the metric 2½" map,  but everything becomes clear on the Old Maps site.  Easiest way in is to enter the co-ordinates 307960 350260 on their home page.  The schematic guide-map to which those refs lead marks the place as Felin Llwyn (i.e. a cymrically-correct version of the form used in the 1841 census entry).  If one then loads either of the two 25" (1:2,500) maps on offer from the 1870s,  the place comes up flying its older, unabbreviated colours:  Llwyn y Brain Mill.

That locates the building close to the south bank of the River Clwyd (county/parish boundary),  and so on the extreme north-eastern tip of both the parish of Gwyddelwern and the county of Merioneth -- its mill race being fed from a weir just by Bryn Saith Marchog Bridge.

The implication for FH research purposes is that it would be well worth someone with the necessary access checking out the PRs for Derwen -- that church,  although in the next county,  being just over the river and up the hill,  and so a fair bit more convenient than the parish church at Gwyddelwern.  I know the people at Meyarth -- a house slightly upstream of Llwyn Mill -- had phases when they used Derwen.  Another possibility,  always assuming the Llwyn family were church rather than chapel goers,  could be Llanelidan (also closer than Gwyddelwern).


Rol

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You've made great strides,  JL. 

 

Thank you , Miss