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Re: Vernon's of Little Budworth
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 22 February 15 09:49 GMT (UK) »
Ah - I may have the link  :)   

Little Budworth was in the hands of the Egerton family, and Great Budworth was in the hands of the Egerton-Warburton family.  Rowland Egerton, born 1804, was the son of Philip Egerton who became 9th baronet of Egerton and Oulton (Little Budworth) in 1825 - further details available from "Mr Wiki" regarding the addition of Warburton to the family name.

I had noticed, in the early censuses, that the staff in Little Budworth, for the Egerton family, were invariably "out-siders" with very few locals.  Perhaps this was the same for the Egerton-Warburton family in Great Budworth, and that Joseph and Mary were "transferred".  On Henry Towers' birth entry in Tarporley, Mary is said to be from Rushton, which makes sense.

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Re: Vernon's of Little Budworth
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 22 February 15 11:26 GMT (UK) »
Thanks bumblebee what you say about Egerton-warburton families make great sense.
Mrs Anderson, bumblebee provided me with a grave inscription from St peters little bud some time ago for Arthur vernon of little bud who died 25 May 1822 in 70 th year of his age and also his wife  ann who died 21 June 1824 in 73 rd year of her age. I think these are Joseph's parents. Arthur married ann in 1778 in little budworth. Do you have this info? My records seem to go back one more generation.

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Re: Vernon's of Little Budworth
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 22 February 15 12:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bumble B
Yes, I do think it is the same family and I have thought about the situation quite a lot.  Regarding the marriage: well, the only explanation I think may be relevant from the Towers side, is that they lived in Marston.  Great Budworth is on a hill and halfway down the hill is Marston - maybe half a mile/a mile as the crow flies from where the Towers family lived.  I wondered whether the Towers side set the place where they married and, like you say, they were drafted in to the Egerton-Warburton estate.
I've researched (at amateur level) the Vernons/Towers for about eight years and I can't seem to find any other combination of names/dates.  I agree with the Arthur/Ann info regarding Joseph Vernon Snr.
Are we getting there ?  :)

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Re: Vernon's of Little Budworth
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 22 February 15 13:19 GMT (UK) »
So, you think that Mary was born in Marston in 1791, moves to Little Budworth or Rushton where she gives birth to Henry and has him baptised in Tarporley in 1819, then marries Joseph Vernon 2 years later in Great Budworth, then moves back to Little Budworth where she dies at the age of 83 in 1874.  Have I summed it up correctly?
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Re: Vernon's of Little Budworth
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 22 February 15 15:46 GMT (UK) »
Yes bumbleb that seems the answer to me.
Will put henry towers into my tree now. Thank you Mrs Anderson. Have you gone any further back than the generation before Arthur and ann vernon( nee parsons)?

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Re: Vernon's of Little Budworth
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 22 February 15 16:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bumble B
Actually, I don't know where Mary was born.  I have a birth date of 1798 not 1791.  Also, I don't know that Henry was baptised - all I can say is that Henry was born in 1819 and he puts a selection of Marston, Little Budworth and Northwich down on census material as his birth place.  I can confirm that Mary Towers and Joseph Vernon are his parents due to the birth certificate and marriage certificate (which I have).
My summation would be that Mary was born near Little Budworth where she met Joseph - her baptism is in the right area.  Perhaps the vicar wouldn't marry them at Little Budworth due to an illegitimate child perhaps and so the Towers family in Marston organised the marriage in their parish ?  Being as we don't have Banns records it would be hard to tell.  They got married in Great Budworth but that was their only link ?  I'm just thinking creatively because of human nature.

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Re: Vernon's of Little Budworth
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 22 February 15 16:05 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, didn't get around to posting this:

1841 Census - HO107/96/2 folio 5 page 4 - Little Budworth

Next door but one to Joseph and Mary Vernon -
Charles Towers - 35 - Ag Lab - all born in county
Jane 35
John 7
Thomas 4
Charles 1 month

1851 - HO107/2166 folio 54, page 10 - Little Budworth
Charles Towers - 50 - Ag Lab - born LB
Jane - 51 - born Winsford
Thomas 14 - LB
Charles 11 - LB
Mary 6 - LB


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Re: Vernon's of Little Budworth
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 22 February 15 16:11 GMT (UK) »
Mrs Anderson -

Henry Towers was baptised in Tarporley on 14 March 1819, the son of Mary Towers of Rushton, Spinster. - FindMyPast - Diocese of Chester baptisms 1538-1910 - image.

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Re: Vernon's of Little Budworth
« Reply #26 on: Monday 23 February 15 17:31 GMT (UK) »
As I went to Lichfield Archives today, I took the opportunity to look at my personal fiche copy of Little Budworth Memorial Inscriptions.  There are no Tower memorials, and only the two for Vernon I have already posted.
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