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Ray, Isabella,Hardwick William
« on: Thursday 17 February 11 10:06 GMT (UK) »
Seeking any info on the above who raised a family mainly in Poole Dorset.  Both give Poole as birth place on one census....though Isabella gives Hull, yorks on another and William gives  Monmouth.
Believe they are the same family.
The name Ray comes from birth cert for their daughter Grace  born abt 1887 Poole Dorset.

No marriege cert for this pair...though one in 1880 for a James Hardwick and Isabella Hardwick (and she is with a James on 1901 census.

I cant seem to find which  Ray  family she comes from or which Hardwick family he comes from.

Perhaps I should give up any thought of being a detective ?? Thanks
Price, Cunningham, Hattrick/Attrick, Gray, Mobbs, Wilson, Bramwell, Morris, Russell, Haines,
Allison, Watson, Drake, Wilson, Tindle/Tindall, Hardwick, Parnham, Hollis, Hitchins/Itchins

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William Hardwick born Monmouthshire 1843
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 07 February 19 11:55 GMT (UK) »
Could anyone please help? Really need to find Maiden Name/Birth/Marriage for  Isabella who wed William aka James Hardick?  Mother of Grace Hardwick  born 23rd June 1888 in Poole Dorset.
Both give Poole as birth place on one census....though Isabella gives Hull on another and William gives  Monmouth on another..
The birth cert for their daughter Grace  born abt 1887 Poole Dorset reads mothers name as Isabella Hardwick Formerly Ray.  I have seached every which way with that name..  Maybe this was a first married name?

No marriage found for William Hardwick/Isabella.  Just 1880 for a James Hardwick and Isabella Hardwick (and she is with a James on 1901 census.
Anyone want to have a go at this I'd be so grateful for a lead.  Many thanks RosieM ;D



Parnham - Notts/Yorks/Grimsby/Louth/Derbyshire
Hardwick - Hull Yorks/Poole Dorset
Ray/Reay/Wray/ -Hull Yorks
Dann - Dannet/Louth Lincs
Neal - Louth Lincs
Lindley - Lincs/Grimsb
Price - Notts/Cambs
Cunningham -Hull/Louth/Yorks
Hollis - Notts/Yorks
Wilson - Yorks/Notts/Boston
Russell - Market deeping lincs
Morris - Bedfordshire
Mobbs/Moggs - Lincoln
Smiths - Yorks/Lincoln
Gray - Yorks /Derbyshire
Bramwell - Chesterfield/Derby/Louth
Bostock - Derbyshire
Carrara - Norwich
Drake - Norfolk

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Re: Ray, Isabella,Hardwick William
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 07 February 19 12:23 GMT (UK) »
Graces baptism names father as William (occ Fisherman)
1891 also has him as William

Some of Grace's siblings
HARDWICK, ELIZABETH       mmn RAY     
1868  Sept Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND  Volume 02B  Page 419

HARDWICK, MARY  ANN     mmn REY     
1871  Sept Quarter in WEYMOUTH  Volume 05A  Page 314

HARDWICK, MARY  ANN     mmn REAY     
1874 Mar Quarter in POOLE UNION  Volume 05A  Page 295   
 
HARDWICK, ISABELLA       mmn REAY     
1880  Sept Quarter in POOLE  Volume 05A  Page 292   
 
HARDWICK, LILY  FLORENCE     mmn REAY     
1890  March Quarter in POOLE  Volume 05A  Page 261
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Re: William Hardwick born Monmouthshire 1843
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 07 February 19 12:43 GMT (UK) »

No marriage found for William Hardwick/Isabella.  Just 1880 for a James Hardwick and Isabella Hardwick (and she is with a James on 1901 census.


She is with William in 1881 & 1891 so that marriage is probably irrelevant.  She appears on census with William from 1881, do you have them in 1871

1881
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Re: William Hardwick born Monmouthshire 1843
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 07 February 19 18:28 GMT (UK) »

No marriage found for William Hardwick/Isabella.  Just 1880 for a James Hardwick and Isabella Hardwick (and she is with a James on 1901 census.


She is with William in 1881 & 1891 so that marriage is probably irrelevant.  She appears on census with William from 1881, do you have them in 1871

1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q278-BMK5


No. They are off the radar in 1871. Maybe she was married to someone else then? She had time? Hence giving Ray on that birth cert? Lots of spellings for Ray though and I've trawled hours over them. Finding her surname is agony. My Granny said when she herself got married she gave her mothers name of (Parmer?) emmbarressed at being first cousins. But her mother was Grace Hardwick 1887 - unless Graces mother ,Isabella wed in that name and it was recalled. But I've searched hours. Nothing. Hard without a surname. Re William and James Hardwick I'm not sure, but is he simply using James/William when he wants to? Ie real name maybe James William Hardwick?  or visa versa. Because I think he seems to be the same man unless I'm missing something. Thank you so much for taking the time to help. Kind regards Rosie
Parnham - Notts/Yorks/Grimsby/Louth/Derbyshire
Hardwick - Hull Yorks/Poole Dorset
Ray/Reay/Wray/ -Hull Yorks
Dann - Dannet/Louth Lincs
Neal - Louth Lincs
Lindley - Lincs/Grimsb
Price - Notts/Cambs
Cunningham -Hull/Louth/Yorks
Hollis - Notts/Yorks
Wilson - Yorks/Notts/Boston
Russell - Market deeping lincs
Morris - Bedfordshire
Mobbs/Moggs - Lincoln
Smiths - Yorks/Lincoln
Gray - Yorks /Derbyshire
Bramwell - Chesterfield/Derby/Louth
Bostock - Derbyshire
Carrara - Norwich
Drake - Norfolk

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Re: William Hardwick born Monmouthshire 1843
« Reply #5 on: Friday 08 February 19 08:04 GMT (UK) »
No. They are off the radar in 1871. Maybe she was married to someone else then? She had time? Hence giving Ray on that birth cert? Lots of spellings for Ray though and I've trawled hours over them. Finding her surname is agony.

Her first child was registered as Hardwick in 1868 so she appears to have been with William then  ???



HARDWICK, ELIZABETH       mmn RAY     
1868  Sept Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND  Volume 02B  Page 419

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Re: Ray, Isabella,Hardwick William
« Reply #6 on: Friday 08 February 19 09:03 GMT (UK) »
Graces baptism names father as William (occ Fisherman)
1891 also has him as William

Some of Grace's siblings
HARDWICK, ELIZABETH       mmn RAY     
1868  Sept Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND  Volume 02B  Page 419

HARDWICK, MARY  ANN     mmn REY     
1871  Sept Quarter in WEYMOUTH  Volume 05A  Page 314

HARDWICK, MARY  ANN     mmn REAY     
1874 Mar Quarter in POOLE UNION  Volume 05A  Page 295   
 
HARDWICK, ISABELLA       mmn REAY     
1880  Sept Quarter in POOLE  Volume 05A  Page 292   
 
HARDWICK, LILY  FLORENCE     mmn REAY     
1890  March Quarter in POOLE  Volume 05A  Page 261


Wow! I am amazed. That's so much more than I had. And the Ray/Rey/Reay.. Maybe even Rae thing, is just mega. Its Something concrete. I can't thank you enough..You have made it look so easy.. While I was getting nowhere fast  Thanks xx
Parnham - Notts/Yorks/Grimsby/Louth/Derbyshire
Hardwick - Hull Yorks/Poole Dorset
Ray/Reay/Wray/ -Hull Yorks
Dann - Dannet/Louth Lincs
Neal - Louth Lincs
Lindley - Lincs/Grimsb
Price - Notts/Cambs
Cunningham -Hull/Louth/Yorks
Hollis - Notts/Yorks
Wilson - Yorks/Notts/Boston
Russell - Market deeping lincs
Morris - Bedfordshire
Mobbs/Moggs - Lincoln
Smiths - Yorks/Lincoln
Gray - Yorks /Derbyshire
Bramwell - Chesterfield/Derby/Louth
Bostock - Derbyshire
Carrara - Norwich
Drake - Norfolk

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Re: Ray, Isabella,Hardwick William
« Reply #7 on: Friday 08 February 19 12:06 GMT (UK) »
You can get mothers maiden name on the early birth registrations on the GRO web site you just need to register if you have not already  (also ages at death)
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
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Re: Ray, Isabella,Hardwick William
« Reply #8 on: Friday 08 February 19 12:17 GMT (UK) »
You can get mothers maiden name on the early birth registrations on the GRO web site you just need to register if you have not already  (also ages at death)


https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp


Oh OK 😉 that's great to know. I'll try that now we have something positive. Thank you 😊
Parnham - Notts/Yorks/Grimsby/Louth/Derbyshire
Hardwick - Hull Yorks/Poole Dorset
Ray/Reay/Wray/ -Hull Yorks
Dann - Dannet/Louth Lincs
Neal - Louth Lincs
Lindley - Lincs/Grimsb
Price - Notts/Cambs
Cunningham -Hull/Louth/Yorks
Hollis - Notts/Yorks
Wilson - Yorks/Notts/Boston
Russell - Market deeping lincs
Morris - Bedfordshire
Mobbs/Moggs - Lincoln
Smiths - Yorks/Lincoln
Gray - Yorks /Derbyshire
Bramwell - Chesterfield/Derby/Louth
Bostock - Derbyshire
Carrara - Norwich
Drake - Norfolk