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Re: KEMPSON of Nottingham & Australia
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 24 February 11 02:58 GMT (UK) »
If you think that your Henry is the one who married Ellen YUILL then you really need to get a copy of the marriage cert to confirm and it should give place of birth and parents.  I assume you are having difficulty finding a death for him, but a lot of deaths went unregistered during that period especially if he was on the goldfields.

This is reasonably confusing.

Marriage Bonds from the Nottinghamshire Archdeaconry Archives

Document Reference: AN/MB/232/11
Event: Marriage bond
Place of Event:  Sneinton, Nottingham
Date of Event: 13 Jan 1836

Name: KEMPSON, Henry (of Ruddington, Nottinghamshire)
Role: Groom
Age:  21
Status: Bachelor
Literacy: Signed

Maiden Name: WINFIELD, Jane (of Sneinton, Nottinghamshire)
Role: Bride
Age: 21
Status: Spinster

Henry and Jane had a son Thomas Winfield KEMPSON whose birth was registered in 1838.  Henry is not with Jane on any census from 1841, and on all censuses until 1891 she lists herself as "married".  Normally I would be looking for a transportee, but cannot see anyone who looks likely.  If this is your Henry then he would have to have been a bigamist to come to Australia with a wife.

Henry & Catherine married 09/03/1842 I can't see a marriage for him in 1842 - was this in SA?

A bit on father Thomas:

The Leicester Chronicle: or, Commercial and Agricultural Advertiser (Leicester, England), Saturday, November 24, 1838; Issue 1462.

Deaths
On Thursday, Mr KEMPSON, farmer and grazier of Ruddington, Nottinghamshire

Death Reg:

December Quarter 1838
KEMPSON, Thomas
Basford
Vol 15
Page 394

Document Reference: AN/MB/198/105
Event: Marriage bond, Kingston-on-Soar
Place of Event:  Kingston-on-Soar
Date of Event: 3 Jun 1802

Name: KEMPSON, Thomas, (grazier of East Leake, Nottinghamshire)
Role:  Groom
Age: 23
Occupation: Grazier
Status: Bachelor
Literacy:  Signed

Maiden Name: STOKES, Charlotte (of Kingston, Nottinghamshire)
Role:  Bride
 
Henry also had a brother William http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c06/   The "born at the latter place in 1895" should read 1805.

Debra  :)

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Re: KEMPSON of Nottingham & Australia
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 24 February 11 03:19 GMT (UK) »
Henry Kempson married Elizabeth Parker 09/03/1842 in South Aust.
sorry for the mix up with names, working on to many trees at once.
Harmer, Kempson, Kiesler, Oakland, Payne, Crowle, Sutherland, Tulloch, Ward, Benfold, Donovan, Brooks, Smith,

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Re: KEMPSON of Nottingham & Australia
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 February 11 03:48 GMT (UK) »
Ok ;D

Arrival



KEMPSON Henry arrived in SA 1840-02-06 on ship  Rajasthan from London 1839-10-27
[Source:7,12]

Death

KEMPSON Elizabeth died on 1848-07-09
aged 31,
buried at Adelaide West Terrace Cemetery.


Is this in line with your findings Martin?

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ADDING
Death of the possible son of JANE and HENRY (above)

Deaths Jun 1898   
Kempson,  Thomas Winfield
age 59
At Basford  vol 7b pg 145
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Re: KEMPSON of Nottingham & Australia
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 February 11 04:23 GMT (UK) »
As far as I know Henry Kempson snr was born abt 1817, and I do know of Thomas and Charlotte, they had three children
1 boy named Henry (B. abt 1817) and two girls of which only one name is known (Charlotte).
MARTIN


KEMPSON -
 Female Christening: 02 AUG 1807
 East Leake, Nottingham, England


CHARLOTTE KEMPSON -
Female Christening: 28 JUL 1811
 East Leake, Nottingham, England



HENRY KEMPSON -
Male Christening: 29 MAR 1816
East Leake, Nottingham, England

Parents THOMAS KEMPSON and CHARLOTTE

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Re: KEMPSON of Nottingham & Australia
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 24 February 11 07:07 GMT (UK) »
I hope you will not mind my asking, but what is the source of your information that HENRY came to Victoria and married again?

You mention a shipping record regarding him coming to Vic. Does it mention his sons too and give anybody’s age at all?

To date, I am not able,  to connect him to any events in Victoria conclusively.

There was possibly a different HENRY KEMPSON who arrived in Victoria from a British port

KEMPSON HENRY
Age26
Date JUL1852
Ship MOUNT STUART ELPHINSTONE
B 003 004

 And it may have been this man who married ELLEN YUILLE. Alternatively, you mention the 2 sons of HENRY named HENRY and FREDERICK, but we do not have their birthdates. Could it have been the son Henry who married ELLEN.?

A 10 weeks old child named ROBERT KEMPSON died the same year as ELLEN

KEMPSON Robert
Mother Ellen KEMPSON
Father Not listed
Yr 1864
Reg. 7440

Frederick KEMPSON, the son of your HENRY is sighted in Victoria married to, and having children with, BESSIE JANE DIXON.
Her death and burial and many other  details  are available

FRED died in WA as you may already know.


KEMPSON   FREDERICK      
Age 58
Father UNKNOWN
mother UNKNOWN
birthplace MT LOFTY SA
Reg 2183
yr.1905   
WA deaths

Also there

KEMPSON   CHARLES BINGLEY
age 28
Father HENRY CHARLES
Mother UNK HENRIETTA
birthplace BAIRNSDALE VIC
Reg1901
Yr1897

A newspaper notice tells

...."KEMPSON Charles Bingley, At the Colonial Hospital, Perth, on
the 26th, youngest son of H. C. Kempson, C.E., Kerang, Victoria."...

Perhaps the two burials are uncle and nephew. H enry C harles  being the other son (you have named as Henry) of HENRY snr.


   
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Re: KEMPSON of Nottingham & Australia
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 24 February 11 09:03 GMT (UK) »
Charles Bingley KEMPSON is the son of Henry Charles and Henrietta who I detailed earlier.  I won't say they weren't related to Martin's Henry because I don't have a clue, but they were from different counties in England. 

There was a Henry Charles KEMPSON, died in Victoria in 1899 (aged 73/74) whose parents are named as Henry Charles KEMPSON and Sophia BINGLEY.  According to the newspaper he was a civil engineer and surveyor.  FamilySearch has this KEMPSON/BINGLEY marriage taking place in Birmingham, Warwickshire in 1825.  Their son Henry Charles was baptised in 1826 at Birmingham.  The notices for the death of his son and wife confirm that he married Henrietta Shurlock LUCKHAM (Victoria 1854).  Stated "formerly of Birmingham" but it is not clear whether this refers to Henry or his wife.

There were more KEMPSONs in SA and Victoria than you can shake a stick at (and I think they were all named Henry  ;D). 

Debra  :)

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Re: KEMPSON of Nottingham & Australia
« Reply #15 on: Friday 25 February 11 01:54 GMT (UK) »
Ah well,
So far the only strong  link  we have been able to make for HENRY to VICTORIA  is the activities in VIC  of FREDERICK whom Martin says is the son of ELIZABETH and HENRY KEMPSON and, indeed, FREDERICK did name his first child, to include his mother's maiden name


KEMPSON Frederick Parker
Father Frederick
Mother Bessie Jane DIXON
Place LODD
Year 1871
Reg  22037


Martin, has the information we have provided been of any assistance? ;D

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Re: KEMPSON of Nottingham & Australia
« Reply #16 on: Friday 25 February 11 01:58 GMT (UK) »
A little, I aready know about Frederick and his older brother Henry jnr.
Sadly what became of  thier father is still a mystery.
Harmer, Kempson, Kiesler, Oakland, Payne, Crowle, Sutherland, Tulloch, Ward, Benfold, Donovan, Brooks, Smith,

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Re: KEMPSON of Nottingham & Australia
« Reply #17 on: Friday 25 February 11 02:09 GMT (UK) »
 I aready know about Frederick and his older brother Henry jnr.MARTIN

That's interesting.

What can you tell us about HENRY jnr.

We have not been able to discover much to confirm his presence in Victoria


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