desperate for help PLEASE!!!

[anne]

I am desperatley trying to find the birth date and parents of David Kennedy born in Dundee around 1810.

This is the only info i have on him at the moment:

David Kennedy married Margaret Nicol in Dundee 1st April 1834.
I have no birth date or parents names and would very much appreciate any help.
Margaret Nicol was born in 1807 so i presume David was also born around that time.
I know in the 1881 census for Cowgate Dundee Margaret was listed as head with 3 of their 4 children but no sign of David.
I would have thought that if he had died she would have been listed as widow.

Please can someone help.Anne.

[jaq]

http://www.fdca.org.uk/research.htm
Friends of Dundee City Archives have several databases online.

"The Friends of Dundee City Archives have produced guides to help those researching house history, Irish immigrants, poorhouses, and Veere: Scotland's staple port in Flanders."

jaq

[anne]

Thankyou Jaq,i will have a look at that,maybe now i will get somewhere.Thankyou again.Anne.

[moscan]

On Scotlandspeople I found the following

20 Jul 1804 KENNEDY  DAVID
son of THOS. KENNEDY/ISABEL MYLES FR3114 U DUNDEE 282/00 0009

14 Aug 1810 KENNEDY  DAVID  
son of  WILLM. KENNEDY/MARGT. GOWANS U DUNDEE 282/00 0009

30 Jul 1811 KENNEDY DAVID
Son of  JOHN KENNEDY/ANN BURNS U DUNDEE 282/00 0009

27 Mar 1803 NICOL MARGARET
daughter of ROBERT NICOL/JEAN WRIGHT U DUNDEE 282/00 0009  

17 Jul 1804 NICOL MARGARET
Daughter ofWILLIAM NICOL/CATHARINE RINTOUL U DUNDEE 282/00 0009

10 Jul 1808 NICOL MARGARET
daughter of ALEXR. NICOL/JANET MILLAR U DUNDEE 282/00 0009

I had a look at the 1881 Census and I found Margaret aged 75 widowed and living at 174 Seagate Dundee Forfar Scotland.  

on the OPR I found the following births in Dundee


24 Sep 1843 KENNEDY DAVID

NICOLL KENNEDY/MARGARET LINDSAY FR5339 U DUNDEE 282/00 019*


7 Feb 1842 KENNEDY JAMES

NICOLL KENNEDY/MARGARET LINDSAY FR5295 U DUNDEE 282/00 019*


31 May 1845 KENNEDY JEAN

NICOLL KENNEDY/MARGARET LINDSAY FR5372 U DUNDEE 282/00 019*


Best wishes

Mo

[anne]

Moscan,thankyou so much for takeing the trouble to look for me.I did about 2 years ago find the birth of David Kennedy 1810 parents William Kennedy and Margaret Gowans but i am still not 100% sure this is my David,i know his marriage date is definatly right,and i know he was born in Dundee.He is a complete mystery,i cant even find his death.As regards to Margaret Nicol i have her parents they were Alexander Nicol and Jean Cant,i have Alexanders parents but not Jeans.I have an 1881 census record for 85 Cowgate Dundee with this info.Margaret Kennedy married age 74 Sack Sewer born Mains,Angus.Mary Kennedy daughter single age 40 Mill Worker born Dundee.Margaret Kennedy daughter single age 31 Reeler born Dundee.Edward Kennedy son single age 32 Cork Cutter born Dundee.This is also confusing,i have a burial record for Ann Kennedy died age 5 months in 1819 parents William Kennedy and Margaret Gowans,if this is my Davids sister that means there is a 9 year gap between the births of David and Ann,i dont think so do you.Anyway let me know what you think.Anne.

[moscan]

I popped back onto Scotlandspeople when I got your message... there are 43 Jean Cant births beween 1700 and 1834 but to narrow it down it would help if you knew roughly where she came from...as none of them are from the same parish where they got married in

16 Dec 1789 CANT JEAN     ALEXR. NICOLL     F         MAINS AND STRATHMARTIN            307/00 0003

As to the 1881 Census... if she was born in 1807 as you thought she would be 74 ... the entry I found was

Dwelling:   174 Seagate
   Census Place:   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
   Source:   FHL Film 0203485     GRO Ref    Volume 282-4    EnumDist 2    Page 13
   
                    Marr      Age     Sex   Birthplace
Margaret KENNEDY   W   75    F   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
   Rel:   Head
Betsy KENNEDY   U   50    F   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Jute Spinner
Ann KENNEDY   U   13    F   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
   Rel:   Grd Daur
   Occ:   Shifter Half Timer
Jane ABERNETHY   U   25    F   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
   Rel:   Boarder
   Occ:   Jute Spinner
Agnes MARSHALL   U   28    F   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
   Rel:   Boarder
   Occ:   Mill Worker



Dwelling:   85 Cowgate
   Census Place:   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
   Source:   FHL Film 0203485     GRO Ref    Volume 282-4    EnumDist 2    Page 37
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Margaret KENNEDY   M   74    F   Mains, Forfar, Scotland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Sack Sewer
Mary KENNEDY   U   40    F   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Mill Worker
Margaret KENNEDY   U   31    F   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Reeler (Mill Worker)
Edward KENNEDY   U   32    M   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Cork Cutter

I agree it could be either but since one was widowed lol... I thought it may be her like you I could not find a David Kennedy of the right age...  I should have said last night that I did find a David Kennedy but much younger... could he be a son I wonder... I do have all the discs for the 1881 Census and will happily do any searchs for you on them...

I do agree with you it is unlikely that they would have had a 9 year gap between children.... I will look again on Scotlands people when I get a few more credits... I do budget myself to 60 a month lol... but I won't forget you and will stay in touch if I find anything...


Best Wishes


Mo

[anne]

Mo,thankyou again for your help.Regarding Jean Cant,her husband Alexander was born in Little Inch Kirrimuir Angus 29th Jan 1765 so i am presuming she would have been born around the same year and they married at Mains and Strathmartin,i dont know how close together these places are but i should think she should be somewhere close by.Dont worry about her Mo you have been so kind already.Regarding Margaret Kennedy she did have a son David born in 1836 so the family at Seagate could be his siblings.Thankyou so very much for your help,it is very much appreciated.Anne.

[Forfarian]

Did no-one look at the earlier censuses?

1851 census, 184 Seagate, Dundee. David Kennedy, 48, Mason, born Mains; Margaret, wife, 42, born Mains; Mary, 10; David, 11; Edward, 7, all born Dundee.

1861 census, Cowgate, Dundee. Margaret K, widow, 61, born Mains and Strathmartine; Mary, 23; David, 21; Margaret, 19; Edward, 17, all born Dundee.

So if his age is accurate David was born in the parish of Mains and Strathmartine in 1802/1803 and he must have died between the 1851 and 1861 censuses.

And Edward's age in 1881 is either misrecorded or mistranscribed.