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Re: John BECKMAN Death
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 11 August 21 23:49 BST (UK) »
Hi EPB
About the death notice of Gertrude.
I viewed it at Google archives dated Dec 22 1967. Sydney Morning  Herald.
I have typed the content and PMed it to you as I am concerned for the privacy of those listed.

If you would like a the snip image in original form, I will need your email address as PM system does not support images.

Sue 
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« Reply #28 on: Thursday 12 August 21 01:38 BST (UK) »
Thank you Sue!
Yes I would love to see her death notice. On the electoral roll do *all* her children go by Cotton other than Jack? Even her second son Albert Peterson Murray-Beckman? I know he enlisted under the Murray-Beckman name, as did David.
 

 David Edward died in 2007 using the name BECKMAN.
He had used both COTTON and BECKMAN and appears on the electoral Roll as both. Born around 1930.

I had mistaken one Robert COTTON as the Bert mentioned in Gertrudeís death notice. This was an error and the correct Bert is indeed obviously Albert Peterson MURRAY-BECKMAN.

I see Albert's  first  enrolment to vote in 1943 and I do not see  him using the COTTON name.
Died WA 1965 (#2171) aged 48.

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Re: John BECKMAN Death
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 12 August 21 06:06 BST (UK) »
Current questions burning my curiosity:

What happened to my GF between 1922 (when he divorced Maria Gertrude Reidy as 'John Murray Beckman' and 1939 (when he wrote to Canberra as 'Albert John Murray Beckman' and was likely also already using the name 'Alfred Nottingham Fawcus')? What name/s was he using between 1922-1939?




It is likely he is the man in question here.  Given he claims a background in accounting and book-keeping.

Forgery charges in Ryde NSW in 1921. John Beckman
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/213210640

He then went to Qld where the trouble continued.

Theft 1923 in Brisbane.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/184695485
Plus forgery
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/177112756


Drunk driving Brisbane 1926
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/220650144

A range of charges in QLD.  Institutionalised for treatment 1930
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/21617110

Local Brisbane magistrate tried to address his lack of self control re alcohol with a newspaper notice. 1929
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/178909677


Back in NSW by 1936.
Killed a pedestrian while driving a lorry
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/246968082

Search Trove
https://trove.nla.gov.au/

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Re: John BECKMAN Death
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 12 August 21 08:29 BST (UK) »
This link to the archived index to mentally incapacitated persons. QLD Archives
https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/items/ITM445677



https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/items/ITM610793?digrep=DR19122

From QLD archives Photographic record, description and criminal history of John Murray, also known as John Beckman, John Murray Beckman, or John Ryder, 10 July 1923

With yet another alias Iím sorry to say! And full of lies about his persona ::)
(might need to scroll down or use ctrl F Beckman)
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Re: John BECKMAN Death
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 12 August 21 12:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks for this!

DR19281
Title
Photographic record, description and criminal history of John Murray, also known as John Beckman, John Murray Beckman, or John Ryder, 10 July 1923

Looks like it could be our guy.

Did you notice there were TWO other alias-users going by the name John Murray? Seems to have been a popular name among identity thiefs for some reason!  ;D

I triple checked and none of them are remotely possible but DR19281 looks likely to be him I think? He bears a resemblance to pictures of ANF/JMB's mother Marie Christina Petersen and son John/Jack Murray-Beckman that I have.

It mentions I can find Previous convictions under these records:

NSW 85-290
94-242 Vic 19892

Any idea where I might locate those?

Okay will look into the other links including the mental incapacitation one now! Thanks!

This link to the archived index to mentally incapacitated persons. QLD Archives
https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/items/ITM445677



https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/items/ITM610793?digrep=DR19122

From QLD archives Photographic record, description and criminal history of John Murray, also known as John Beckman, John Murray Beckman, or John Ryder, 10 July 1923

With yet another alias Iím sorry to say! And full of lies about his persona ::)
(might need to scroll down or use ctrl F Beckman)
Sue


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Re: John BECKMAN Death
« Reply #32 on: Friday 13 August 21 04:02 BST (UK) »
This link is the NSW Archives record for John BECKMAN.
However the file will not download properly for me.
Just a blurry expansion of the thumbnail.  Cannot be viewed.

https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/primo-explore/fulldisplay?docid=INDEX2080554&context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&search_scope=Everything&adaptor=Local%20Search%20Engine&tab=default_tab&query=any,contains,john%20beckman&offset=0


You might have more luck.

The trove news items aligin with the Qld  prison record. 1923
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Re: John BECKMAN Death
« Reply #33 on: Friday 13 August 21 06:38 BST (UK) »
Thank you Sue! A couple of the Trove news items aren't him but the majority are. The ones that are not him are the driving-related reports. These I think are not my grandfather:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/220650144
Daily Mail Brisbane 1926
The reckless driver in Brisbane named John Beckman, aged 29 in 1926, a Manager, is unlikely to be the JMB I'm looking for (too young, and also unlikely to have been employed in Brisbane at this time in a managerial position with his established local reputation!). Our JB was already well known to the police so they wouldn't have mistaken him to be that young. This is likely another John Beckman, born in Queensland circa 1900, likely manager at Beckman Brothers, which I believe was a plumbing business in Brisbane in the 1920s.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/246968082
NSW 1936
The lorry driver who accidentally killed a pedestrian would have been my grandfather's son, of the exact same name, who would have been around 21 at the time and owned a lorry driving business in NSW in the 1930s before enlisting in WWII. He notes on his enlistment papers that he has had many traffic infringements.

All the other reports are likely to be him though! I have the same issue with the photo link below - will try contacting NSW archives to request a better resolution version, but comparing it to his QLD photo, it looks to be him (same head shape, same ears) with a moustache.


This link is the NSW Archives record for John BECKMAN.
However the file will not download properly for me.
Just a blurry expansion of the thumbnail.  Cannot be viewed.

https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/primo-explore/fulldisplay?docid=INDEX2080554&context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&search_scope=Everything&adaptor=Local%20Search%20Engine&tab=default_tab&query=any,contains,john%20beckman&offset=0


You might have more luck.

The trove news items aligin with the Qld  prison record. 1923
Sue

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Re: John BECKMAN Death
« Reply #34 on: Friday 13 August 21 07:07 BST (UK) »
Using his name of Albert Petersen BECKMAN, he enrolled to vote in WA in 1910
At Southern Cross Coolgardie, he was an accountant at the bank there

Before he departed Ballarat for this destination, he placed a notice in the local paper about it.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/210352962
Leaving Ballarat for the West.

He resigned the bank position in 1909 and took a seat on southern Cross shire council
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/33298273


There are other Trove mentions of him there.

 Sue

Prior to the WA move, he was an agent at Kings in Ballarat in 1904
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/208877671

 

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« Reply #35 on: Saturday 14 August 21 05:22 BST (UK) »
The last sighting I can make of the man in Western Aust is the Post Office Directory of 1911.

BECKMAN, A P Com. Agent. Southern Cross. WA

There is not an entry for that name in 1912.

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