Author Topic: Harrowby House, Grantham  (Read 12149 times)

Offline Braindead

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 667
  • Great Great Great Grandfather, William Cafferata
    • View Profile
Harrowby House, Grantham
« on: Monday 25 April 11 14:16 BST (UK) »
Some of my ancestors were living there at the time of the 1911 census, and I was wondering if anyone could help me answer these questions:

Where is it? (More exactly than just Grantham!)
Is it still there?
Does anyone have any pictures?

Thanks
"Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk"

Offline Del 80

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 673
  • my favourite jumper about 1976
    • View Profile
Re: Harrowby House, Grantham
« Reply #1 on: Monday 25 April 11 15:59 BST (UK) »
hello, there is a harrowby hall, just outside grantham on what is known as the land settlement. i think lord harrowby lived there, harrowby road was named after him, but can't place a harrowby house. regards, del.
Clarke , Calvert , McCreadie,
 McDowell, Paton & Scott families,  Scotland
& Ireland, Ayto/Hayto/Eato/Eatough families, Lincolnshire.

Offline Geoff-E

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,210
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Harrowby House, Grantham
« Reply #2 on: Monday 25 April 11 17:34 BST (UK) »
Not Harrowby Hall ...

in 1901, Thomas NEWTON 70 Farmer was in the Hall (perhaps indexed as Newton THOMAS)

in the House was Robert A WHITE 80 Solicitor.

Note in the 1901 census-
Beaconfield House, Beacon Lane
Norman Leys, Beacon Lane
Beacon Lane
Harrowby House
Old Square, Barracks

Now go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?coords=492317,335840 and select (on right) the 1904-5 1:2,500 map ... all is there but Harrowby House ???

In 1891, WHITE was there again
Elsham House
Riverside
Harrowby House
Beaconfield House
Hill Side House
Barracks

Looking again at the old map, there is a large, unnamed house to the NW of the barracks - this one http://tinyurl.com/3m6a49k

But really I have no idea  :-\ Perhaps Cathy will come to your rescue.
Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days alive.

Offline Braindead

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 667
  • Great Great Great Grandfather, William Cafferata
    • View Profile
Re: Harrowby House, Grantham
« Reply #3 on: Monday 25 April 11 19:38 BST (UK) »
I double checked to make sure - on the census the address is given as "Harrowby House, Grantham".

It was occupied by my great great grandfather Redmond Parker Cafferata, his wife and six of their children. There was also a domestic staff of 5, so logically it must have been quite a large residence.
"Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk"


Offline Geoff-E

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,210
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Harrowby House, Grantham
« Reply #4 on: Monday 25 April 11 19:48 BST (UK) »
Seeing now the 1911 census and noting that Barrowby House was next door to the Girls' Seconday School, I'm almost certain it was this house http://tinyurl.com/3m6a49k
Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days alive.

Offline Braindead

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 667
  • Great Great Great Grandfather, William Cafferata
    • View Profile
Re: Harrowby House, Grantham
« Reply #5 on: Monday 25 April 11 20:17 BST (UK) »
It certainly seems possible. From the ages of the people in the photo, I believe this photo would have been taken at Harrowby House, but I can't be certain. With all the more recent school building around the house, I can't tell whether this is the same place or not.

Thanks for your input so far.
"Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk"

Offline Geoff-E

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,210
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Harrowby House, Grantham
« Reply #6 on: Monday 25 April 11 20:39 BST (UK) »
The original school building can still be picked out http://tinyurl.com/3b3op8x

I don't think that is what's in your old picture. :(  I would expect a school to have windows :)

Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days alive.

Offline tup1

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,437
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Harrowby House, Grantham
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 April 11 13:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Geoff

I have had a word with Malcolm Knapp about the Harrowby House query as I did not know the answer ;) ;) and he only knows of the one at Harrowby Hall so I quoted what was on the 1901 census info and he said it could not be the girls High School building as that was only built in 1911 and there is a plaque on the wall.Looking at the photo that was put on here it was covered in ivy so it had been there a long time.Malcolm is going to look through his many books etc and will get back to me hopefully with the answer later on today.I will let you know the outcome.

Kathy

Offline tup1

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,437
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Harrowby House, Grantham
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 April 11 15:54 BST (UK) »
Hi

Whilst waiting for Malcolm to get back to me I have had another look at the photo and in the background it looks like the top of a maltings building and there was one in East Street  which is just off Avenue Rd near the bridge over the River Witham(now been pulled down and flats built called Riverside)and the Grantham College is just above where the maltings were.I know the college  opened in 1948 but I wonder if that is where Harrowby House (was) as the Girls High school is just at the back of the college.We will have to wait and see and I myself am learning more about my home town which is not a bad thing is it?.Whats the old saying (you are never too old to learn???).

Kathy