Murray/Hyland from Athy Co Kildare

[nw79]

I am trying to find information on my great great grandfather, Matthew Murray.  The only information I can find is that he was from Scotland and was in the British Army and at some stage was stationed in the Curragh in Co Kildare, where my great grandfather Matthew Murray was born in 1873.  My great grandfather lived in Athy Co Kildare where he married my great grandmother Margaret Hyland, she was born in 1890. If anyone has any information I would be delighted to hear from them.

[shanew147]

which details are you looking for - do you have a marriage cert for Matthew and Margaret already ?

Full civil records started in Ireland in 1864, so there should be details for births, marriages and death for events from that date. For earlier details you need to check for parish records - so you would need to know the religion and where the families lived at the time (i.e. townland or parish)

see : Introduction to Irish Records



Shane

[Sinann]

You probably have all this by now but I'm amusing myself.
Matthew Murray 1873, number 168. Mother Margaret Hydman ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03175/2164515.pdf

did the son marry a woman with almost the same name as his mother?
Marriage Matthew Murray widower to Margaret Hyland 1918
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09704/5520210.pdf

Margaret Hyland 1890 father Peter mother Mary Lawler
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02428/1904457.pdf

Peter's occupation keeps changing but this looks like the family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Athy_East__Urban/Leinster_Street/535632/
1901 transcribed as Keyland
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Athy_East_Urban/Leinster_Street/1432824/

Matthew in 1911 with his first wife
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Athy_East__Urban/Leinster_Street/535633/
Bridget died 1916
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05236/4450334.pdf

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Athy_East_Urban/Leinster_Street/1432786/

Marriage to Bridget Kane 1896
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10481/5817299.pdf

Matthew died 1939
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1939/04750/4272159.pdf
Margaret died 1956
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1956/04417/4152283.pdf

[nw79]

Thank you so much for all this information Sinann.

Can you quide me to where I would get further information about Matthew Murray and his wife Margaret Hydman?  Maybe if possible their birth certs?

[Sinann]

He was from Scotland yes?
Do you know if his wife was also from Scotland?
I've never had to search records in Scotland, I believe you need Scotland's People
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
You could also ask on the Scotland Forum here on RootsChat
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/scotland/
If you do it would be a good idea to post a link to this thread so people can see what has already been found.
I guess I could look for more birth's to the couple, that might narrow down when they married, do you know if they had anymore children in Ireland?

[David Ryan]

Hi you have all the records but I looked up St michaels old cemetery athy and found this.
Matthew Murray 6 Leinster Street Athy Who Died 17/1/1938 Aged 65. His Wife Margaret Murray Who Died 23/2/1956 Aged 65. His Daughter Mary (Mae) Murray Who Died 7/7/1937 Aged 16. Infant Sons Aiden & Anthony Prendergast. Matt Murray Who Died 21/1/1996 Aged 77.

And found his first marriage
Erected By Matthew Murray In Memory Of His Wife Bridget Murray Who Died 29/8/1916 Aged 37. His Son Matthew Joseph Murray Who Died 9/4/1901 Aged 13 Months. William Joseph Murray Who Died 29/29/5/1904.

Think it's the right ones if so I can try and find the headstones and take a picture for you I'll be in there sometime this week. All found on page 3 & 4.

[gaffy]

There was a presbyterian marriage on 7 September 1857 at Sackville Place,  Stirling Road, Glasgow between a 21 year old Matthew Murray of the Barracks in Glasgow and a 19 year old Margaret Hytman of Duke Street, Matthew was a corporal in the 21st foot, son of Richard Murray (a saddler) and Sarah Keeley, Margaret was a domestic servant, daughter of John (deceased) and Mary Hytman. Just a possibility.