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Mabel F Bussman - Michigan
« on: Saturday 04 June 11 09:38 BST (UK) »
Trying to find the death of Mabel Bussman nee Bell.

She was born abt 1895 in Pennsylvania, parents were John Baird Bell and Jane/Jennie Fowler, both born in Scotland.

Mabel married John Henry Bussman about 1915.

They moved to Michigan and can be found in 1930 living in St Clair Shores, Macomb County. 

John died in 1970 in Alma, Gratiot County, but I have been unable to discover anything about Mabel's death or whether they had any children. 

Can anyone help?

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MITCHELL: Glasgow/Fife
MACDONALD: Isle of Coll/Fife
BURGESS/SMITH/HOUGHTON/WILD: Lancashire
HOLMES: Ireland/Lanarkshire/Fife
MCMEEKIN: Stirlingshire/Canada
MCPHERSON: Stirlingshire

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Re: Mabel F Bussman - Michigan
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 June 11 12:27 BST (UK) »
I have found them in the 1920 census where John & Mabel are staying with her brother, John F Bell, and his family in Wilkinsburg Ward 1, Allegheny, Pennsylvania. It confirms Mabels parents were from Scotland (though you have this already) and John's were from Pennsylvania. They did not have any children at the time which, considering they had been married for 5 years, is quite unusual.

I know you've seen the 1930 version which also shows no children so there is a reasonable case for them never having had children since I would have expected either fo these two census entries to show them otherwise.

As for the death.... I can't find anything either but then again I'm in Scotland so there are better folks at USA stuff out there than me for sure....

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Re: Mabel F Bussman - Michigan
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 June 11 13:15 BST (UK) »
Hello Jo,

The Polk's Dearborn (Wayne County, Mich.) City Directory for 1943 shows John H Bussman and Mabel F  - asemblr - Ford -  h2101  -  Academy

1946 shows similar entry but occupation for John is Clk.  (mabel still listed)

1948 same address etc but occupation for John  is Stockmn. (Mabel still listed)

The 1953 entry shows John H Bussman (Ida A)  -   ofc wkr -   Ford - h2101 Academy.

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Re: Mabel F Bussman - Michigan
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 04 June 11 13:22 BST (UK) »
This shows the SSDI entry for John

John Bussman. Born 8 August 1893 and Died June 1970
Last Residence:   48801  Alma, Gratiot, Michigan,
SSN was issued: in Michigan (Before 1951)

and this SSDI entry seems to match:- (The Michigan Death Index shows Mildred's middle initial "I"
Could it be that Mabel died between 1948 and 1953 and John remarried.  ???

Mildred Bussman. Born 19 July 1896 and Died June 1981
Last Residence:   48801  Alma, Gratiot, Michigan.
SSN was issued in Michigan (Before 1951)
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Re: Mabel F Bussman - Michigan
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 04 June 11 14:21 BST (UK) »
I have found them in the 1920 census where John & Mabel are staying with her brother, John F Bell, and his family in Wilkinsburg Ward 1, Allegheny, Pennsylvania. It confirms Mabels parents were from Scotland (though you have this already) and John's were from Pennsylvania. They did not have any children at the time which, considering they had been married for 5 years, is quite unusual.

I know you've seen the 1930 version which also shows no children so there is a reasonable case for them never having had children since I would have expected either fo these two census entries to show them otherwise.

As for the death.... I can't find anything either but then again I'm in Scotland so there are better folks at USA stuff out there than me for sure....



Hi weemantam

I too found them on the 1920 census, but thanks for trying to help me, it's very much appreciated.  Like you I'm in Scotland, so sometimes finding deaths in the U.S. is difficult.
MITCHELL: Glasgow/Fife
MACDONALD: Isle of Coll/Fife
BURGESS/SMITH/HOUGHTON/WILD: Lancashire
HOLMES: Ireland/Lanarkshire/Fife
MCMEEKIN: Stirlingshire/Canada
MCPHERSON: Stirlingshire

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Re: Mabel F Bussman - Michigan
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 04 June 11 14:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Sandra

That's very interesting stuff from the directory, thanks for that!   :D

I found the SSDI entry for Mildred too, and had the same thought about him re-marrying.
MITCHELL: Glasgow/Fife
MACDONALD: Isle of Coll/Fife
BURGESS/SMITH/HOUGHTON/WILD: Lancashire
HOLMES: Ireland/Lanarkshire/Fife
MCMEEKIN: Stirlingshire/Canada
MCPHERSON: Stirlingshire

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Re: Mabel F Bussman - Michigan
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 04 June 11 17:17 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately, being in the US doesn't necessarily make finding deaths any easier, unless you're willing to spend money on ordering certificates.  Not everything is online, and Michigan has a sizeable mid-20th century gap in the death records available online. 

Do you have an obituary for John?  Maybe that would answer the question about whether they had any children or if he remarried.  If you don't have it, maybe you could try e-mailing the Alma library - http://www2.youseemore.com/alma/default.asp  Also, if he remarried in Gratiot county, there's a person on www.raogk.org who has access to the marriage records.

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Re: Mabel F Bussman - Michigan
« Reply #7 on: Friday 20 April 12 03:32 BST (UK) »
Hi all, hope it's not inappropriate for me to hijack an old thread with a related question, but I'm trying to find more information on a Marion Ruth Bussman, who is listed as living with John H and Mabel Bussman in the 1946 Dearborn directory, but not in 1943 or 1948.   I believe she was born around 1924, and though I thought she was born in Pennsylvania (where John H was born), the only things I'm finding are Ohio, Michigan, or North Dakota.  I thought for sure that she must be related to John and Mabel, since she stayed with them, but John's only male sibling, Charles (b. 1888) only had one daughter named Catherine.  And John H (b. 1894) has a father John H. (b. 1860) who I can't find anything about, except that he was a butcher and married Annie McDermott.

Any ideas on how I could track down a Marion or Ruth, related to or somehow connected to John and Mabel Bussman?

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Re: Mabel F Bussman - Michigan
« Reply #8 on: Friday 20 April 12 09:22 BST (UK) »
Not sure if this would be the correct one but will try and follow to see what we can find. Can see a marriage in Illinois of a Marian R Bussman to Patrick Pisauro - 11 September 1951 Cook County Illinois.
Also a passenger list with Marian Pisauro (and a young female)- 13 th April 1953 (which says she was born in Michigan - middle initial "B"  ???) Departed Leghorn. Italy to New York on the General Maurice Rose.
Then a Michigan death record for Marian:-
Marion B Pisauro  -Born 21 Apr 1924 and died 12 Jan 1985 Royal Oak. Oakland. Michigan
Residence was Madison Heights, Oakland, Michigan

Patrick C. Pisauro
Born 11 July 1927 and died 9 th November 1999
Last Residence: 48098  Troy, Oakland, Michigan.
SSN issued: Illinois (Before 1951)

Patrick remarries and appears on the Nevada Marriage Index:- Patrick Casper Pisuaro married Nancy C Viers 5 th July 1988 Clark. Nevada.

Obituary listed Daily Times Index but no publication name  ??? 

US Veterans Gravesites also lists Patrick

Family tree entry but it lists no further info of parents on this particular Marian. Couple appear to have 2 sons and 4 daughters.

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