John Ives c1825. Missenden.

[bucksboy]

James Ives, baptised 16 April 1788 @ Great Missenden, to Joseph IVES & Hannah(nee.Warrell), died and was buried 20 April 1788.   So he is definately out of the picture.

There son William Ives was baptised 15 Mar 1789, and was buried 19 March 1789.

Still more I's to dot and T's to cross, but there's less of them.


Steve.

[bucksboy]

Thanks for that Orpheus.

If I take that baptism as gospel, then I am looking for a James Snr. father to James Jnr. as mentioned in the baptism record.

How about this scenario:

James IVES of Great Missenden married Mary WOOSTER at Wendover 20 Jan 1785.  They have the following children:

6 Oct 1785  Elizabeth bapt at Gt Missenden
27 Apr 1787  Ann bapt at Gt Missenden
21 Jun 1789  Sarah bapt at The Lee
10 Apr 1791  James bapt at The Lee
7 Jul 1793  John bapt at The Lee
7 Jun 1795  Thos bapt at The Lee
9 Jun 1799  William bapt at Gt Missenden
11 May 1800  Joseph bapt at Gt Missenden
2 Aug 1801  Job bapt at Gt Missenden

I have a number of relationships between my Child family and the Ives of Gt Missenden in the 19th century, nearly all butchers or bakers.  In particular Catherine Alice Child born 1835 baptised 22 Jun 1834 St Margarets Uxbridge married George Edward Ives 19 Dec 1859 at Haddington Terrace, Limehouse Stepney (George was bapt 8 Nov 1834 at Great Missenden son of Job Ives a master butcher of Road Farm Great Missenden and Sarah).
In 1881 Emma Ives age 19 and born at Great Missenden, Catherine’s daughter was living with Robert Child  baker in Aldersgate, working as a shop woman. 
In 1871 another daughter Elizabeth (6) was living in Little Missenden with her widowed grandmother Ann Child (nee Batchelor) who had previously run a bakery in Ruislip with her husband William Child.

Are this lot of IVES's yours.?

Great Missenden - 2 Nov 1834 George son of Job & Sarah IVES of Prestwood Common, Farmer.

Aston Clinton - 18 Jun 1833. Job IVES of Great Missenden, to Sarah COLLINS of this parish
Witnesses - Antony Collins, & Jane(x)Collins.

Great Missenden.

25 Jun 1861
Thomas Robert CHAMPION, aged 25, Bachelor of Limehouse, Gunmaker son of William Champion, Staymaker
Mary Ann IVES, aged 24, Spinster of this parish daughter of Job Ives, Butler(Butcher).?
Witnesses Job Ives Emma Ives

29 Aug 1871
Harry George COLLINS, aged 30, Bachelor of Aylesbury, Grocer son of George Collins, Farmer
Emma IVES, aged 35, Spinster of this parish daughter of Job Ives, Butcher
Witnesses -  George Ives & Jane Collins.

5 Sep 1870
Thomas Joseph IVES, aged 24, Bachelor of this parish , Butcher son of Job Ives, Butcher
Elizabeth Annie KAYLEY, aged 27, Spinster of this parish daughter of William Kayley, Farmer
Witnesses George Ives Emma Heinmann

6 Sep 1874
Robert IVES, aged 25, Bachelor of this parish , Butcher son of Job Ives, Butcher
Maria BARRETT, aged 23, Spinster of this parish daughter of John Barrett, Corn Dealer.
Witnesses - Harry Barrett & Fanny Barrett.


Steve.

[bucksboy]

Thought I would update this thread, after a few years of absence.

Almost all the Ives named in this thread are related, apart from the Ickford and Quainton families(as yet to be proved).

The Ives in Hughenden, Prestwood, Little & Great Missenden, Amersham, Lacey Green, Stoke Mandeville, Monks Risborough, Princes Risborough, Speen, Bradenham, Chipping Wycombe, High Wycombe, and more places in that area, are connected in my tree, before and during census returns.  And a good few later on.

Still trying to connect the Ives from Toweresy, Radnage and Stokenchurch.

There is also a connection to Oxfordshire, only by the fact that property in Oxfordshire was named in various Wills.  Most farms and buildings, that were owned by the Ives family, were often occupied by family members, abeit 1st, 2nd, 3rd cousins, nephews, brothers etc.

The 'unfortunate' thing, was that the  wealth of the Ives never filtered down to me, nor my 3 times Gt Grandfather, James Ives(1791. The Lee).  It seems it was always the eldest son who inherited the lions share. 
But, fanciful, (and some fact), as it may seem, most of the 'poor' relations, worked, lived or were employed by family members, up until the end of the 1900's.  Or at least, some invested there inheritance in smaller businesses. ie Butchers shops etc.

So if anybody with Ives connections wants any help, please ask away.  I won't say I'll have all the answers(or any), but I'll have a good few of them.


Steve.

[RobertHauteville]

Is Thomas IVE, Yeoman of Burnham who was sued for a debt by the attorney Alexander Cotton in 1584 one of yours? see https://waalt.uh.edu/index.php/CP40/1420-1:_A-J

Indexes to some court cases can be accessed here:- http://aalt.law.uh.edu/Indices/CP40Indices/CP40_Indices.html

[bucksboy]

Is Thomas IVE, Yeoman of Burnham who was sued for a debt by the attorney Alexander Cotton in 1584 one of yours? see https://waalt.uh.edu/index.php/CP40/1420-1:_A-J

Indexes to some court cases can be accessed here:- http://aalt.law.uh.edu/Indices/CP40Indices/CP40_Indices.html

Possibly is. But cannot connect him.

Thanks.