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Re: Born Vienna 1909, Marriage France 1935
« Reply #18 on: Friday 09 October 15 11:13 BST (UK) »
Found now also this with wrong birth day, month and year.
After his correct date 3.12.1896 (how written in Europe) the year is in the Link below wrong and March 12 happened because of wrong interpretation about the european way  of writing it.
3.12 in Europe is Dec 3rd. ;)
Who created this Geni?
http://www.geni.com/people/Lazlo-Czettel/6000000012740089679
He is stated with this parents -> Son of Dr. Fülöp Donáth and Irén Donath-Czettel.
Looking on all that people it shows, that Irén was married also with Ödon Czettel, father of half brother Emmerich, born 1900. Very confusing to order chronology to that all. ;) But interesting and "About Lazlo Philip Czettel" makes some more clear for outsiders. ;)

Ok, it brings light also on the Feldkirch Visa Theme:
"He was recorded obtaining a pass to cross the western border of Austria at Feldkirch during WW1, was listed as a clothing supplier in Vienna and became a German émigré who entered the USA from London prior to WW2. His half brother (Emmerich Czettel an actor) was killed in Dachau and he committed suicide in New York in 1949."

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Re: Born Vienna 1909, Marriage France 1935
« Reply #19 on: Friday 09 October 15 18:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Carithiangirl, nice to see you still contributing.  I've missed you.

There are a few issues needing comment here.

The Geni site is mine, but the birth date you gave of 1896 that appears on the pass is incorrect.  His birth was officially registered in Budapest as Laszlo Donath on 12 March 1895.  (also recorded on LDS 642973, Vol. 24).   A further endorsement of 1895 being the correct year is his father's death  Ladislav, was the son of Iren nee Kovari and her late husband Dr. Fulop Donath who died in 1894 and was buried, side B, row 237, grave 31 in Budapest’s Salgótarjáni út Jewish Cemetery. 

I have also puzzled for many years about that Feldkirk visa.  He was certainly of an age when he should have been called up.  Would being just a year younger have made a difference?  Perhaps he was doing his best to place himself in or near to Switzerland where he could avoid enlistment.

I missed the Wiki page in German, mainly because my focus was on either Hungarian or English.

Isn't the auctioneers catalogue from 1937 with over 500 antiques listed in the rooms they were in an amazing document?   It looks like he was one of the more astute Jews and managed to capitalise on the value of his entire collection before the state decided they would just confiscate the apartment with all its contents.

By the way, we have since positively identified where in the USA he is buried, but now want to know what a Jew is doing in a Roman Catholic cemetery and having had a mass said over him.

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Re: Born Vienna 1909, Marriage France 1935
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 10 October 15 06:51 BST (UK) »
Ah, ok Geni is yours. :)

The german Wikpedia about  him think was not in the past on the internet. Looks to be more new. I looked at old postings but did not find it there and also did not remember that we have had it before in the postings.

Of sure is, that many Jews in Vienna and also at other places converted to be not discriminated or when they had a curios german name, which they did not like to have longer and some more. Would really assume they also did anywhere around 1900.
Example John Kerry - his family came from Bohemia, was named before Kohn then have taken Kerry. It was said they have threw a pencil on a map and where it fell the future name should be for them. The pencil ended up at place Kerry in Ireland. ;) No idea if that is a true story or a tall story. See link below what´s written to Kerry and the picture for "Baptismal record of Fritz Kohn in Mödling, parish St. Othmar" and an older for Bohemia.
http://www.johnkerry.at

Did we have this Links with info to the theme in the past for Vienna? They are in german.
Jewish converts in Vienna 1782 - 1914: A project at the Austrian. Akad. Of Sciences
http://www.hagalil.com/archiv/2005/01/konvertiten.htm
The pdf file: Jewish converts in Vienna 1782-1914
http://www.austriaca.at/0xc1aa500d_0x0014a7d9.pdf
"Due to the baptism he asks for change of his pronounced first and last name ...":
To the name change of Judeo-Protestant converts in Vienna, 1782 - 1914
http://www.judentum.net/geschichte/namenswechsel.htm

Yes, this 1937 book is very interesting and the statement "antique furniture, chandeliers, antiques, porcelain, glass, pottery, sculptures, silver, carpets, ornaments, textiles, paintings, engravings, books, etc .; because split stay between London and Vienna; voluntary auction there even 28, and October 29, 1937."
Can be that it can be seen online? or to get anywhere to buy? See here some for University Heidelberg, Germany and some other places.  https://www.google.at/#q=Kunstsammlung+und+Wohnungseinrichtung+aus+dem+Besitze+des+Herrn+Professor+Ladislaus+Czettel%2C+in+Wien%2C+I.%2C+Bäckerstraße+18%2C+IV.+Stock+(Lift)%2C+Tel.+R-25-1-27:+
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no2008-107299/

-> Some similar also - looks that many did: http://www.zvdd.de/de/dms/search/?tx_goobit3_search%5Borderfield%5D=yearpublish&tx_goobit3_search%5Border%5D=0&tx_goobit3_search%5Blink%5D=794&tx_goobit3_search%5Bextquery%5D=dc%3Adruckschriften.ub.uni.heidelberg.de&tx_goobit3_search%5Bdefault%5D=metadata
http://katalogbeta.slub-dresden.de/?tx_find_find%5Bq%5D%5Bauthor%5D=Auktionshaus%20Albert%20Kende&tx_find_find%5Bfacet%5D=
Czettel again: http://www.zvdd.de/de/dms/search/?tx_goobit3_search%5Borderfield%5D=yearpublish&tx_goobit3_search%5Border%5D=0&tx_goobit3_search%5Blink%5D=0&tx_goobit3_search%5Bdefault%5D=metadata&tx_goobit3_search%5B0%5D=0
http://www.zvdd.de/de/dms/load/met/?PPN=urn%3Anbn%3Ade%3Absz%3A16-diglit-112148

I remeber my Viennesse grandma told me before very long time when was a young girl that she buyed her living room furniture for a very good price from a Jew before WW2, because he left Austria. And she hurried to get it when she heard about. The furniture was very antique thing from cherry wood and had flat brass figures (some angels) and Decorations. Normally she would not have had such furniture, but on the fact that many Jews left and looked for people who buy, it was not so expensive to get. I wonder who it was and if the person made it to a safe place with his family. I know that there was then a time they could not longer go anywhere and we know what happened then.  :-[