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Offline Razzy

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Prince Albert Saskatchewan
« on: Sunday 12 June 11 04:25 BST (UK) »
I would like help in my research.
John Harris ROBERTSON bAug 28th, 1877
Drayton, Ontario (Wellington County?? 1877??)
married Ellen SHAW (Manitoba 1901-002120)
two children Hespor Oliver 1902 manitoba, and Effie/Effy Pearl 1905 manitoba
in the 1906 census lived in Portage la Prairie
John Harris ROBERTSON WW1 regimental # 1051055 now (1916) lives in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan .
When I checked the 1911 census, I have this:
1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Saskatchewan / Prince Albert / 33 Prince Albert / page 2 split view

9 10 Robertson John M Head M Aug 1883 37 1901
10 10 Robertson Ellen F Wife M Jun 1884 26 1901
11 10 Robertson ?isper M Son S May 1905 6 1901
12 10 Robertson John M Son S Jun 1808 3 1901
13 10 Robertson Mary F Mother M Feb 1846 65 1901
14 10 Robertson Felicia F Cousin S Oct 1895 15 1901
15 10 Robertson David M Father M Oct 1842 68 1901
16 10 Robertson Andrew M Cousin S Sep 1889 21 1901
17 10 Robertson Thomas M Cousin S Nov 1897 13 1901
18 10 Robertson Austin M Cousin S Sep 1900 10 1901
19 10 ? Frank M Lodger M Sep ng 1901
20 10 Robertson Chas.

I am missing Effie/Effy who late married my great uncle.
In researching I find ROBERTSONs are Scots and SHAWs are irish.
Do I have the right family? There are alot of ROBERTSONs in the areas I searched.
I hope to find if Effy was with another family or what and where.
I hope to find where Hespor disappeared to.
I hope to find where David and Mary (if John Harris' correct parents) originated in Scotland
I hope to find where John and Eliza SHAW (Ellens parents) who eimmigrated to Canada in 1889 originated in Ireland first, then from where in England.
Laure (France);
Graham (Cumberland, England/Grahamsfield, Scotland), Taylor (Orkney);
Rogan, Johnston, McKinney, Irwin, Hamilton (Ireland);
Masters (Wiltshire, England).
Houldsworth (Sheffield, Middlesex)

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Re: Prince Albert Saskatchewan
« Reply #1 on: Monday 13 June 11 01:52 BST (UK) »
The Saskatchewan vital stats genealogy database (http://www.isc.ca/VitalStatistics/Genealogy/vsgs_srch.aspx) has a birth for William John Robertson born 18 Aug 1908 to John Harris Robertson and Ellen Shaw in Prince Albert.

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Canada: Patterson, Brown, Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Johnston(e), Gorsuch, Kitchin/Kitchen
United States: Patterson, Smith, Brown, Vance, Bower(s), Newberry, Best, Love, Gorsuch
England (Northumberland): Brown, Whitfield, Henderson
Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, East Lothian): Johnston(e), Bell, Galloway, Campbell, Robertson, Williamson, Thomson, Crawford
Germans from Russia: Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Meach, Lorenz

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Re: Prince Albert Saskatchewan
« Reply #2 on: Monday 13 June 11 02:45 BST (UK) »
Thank you Jacquie, I never thought to look at Sask births.
Laure (France);
Graham (Cumberland, England/Grahamsfield, Scotland), Taylor (Orkney);
Rogan, Johnston, McKinney, Irwin, Hamilton (Ireland);
Masters (Wiltshire, England).
Houldsworth (Sheffield, Middlesex)


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Re: Prince Albert Saskatchewan
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 01:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Razzy

Afraid I can't add much new information for you.
However I did find a couple of things about Hesper which you may not know.

There are Attestation Papers for:
Hesper Robertson 114 - 15 Street W. Prince Albert, Saskatchewan
father Mr. John Robertson address as above
date of birth : March 25, 1900
signed: April 18, 1916 in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan

He is discharged in 1917 for being underage.

So apparently they were in Prince Albert in 1916 but I sure can't find any of them on the 1916 Census.

Then a death notice from British Columbia Death Index:

Name: Hesper Oliver Robertson
Date of death: 17 Sep 1962
Age: 59
Place of death: Saanich

I can't find a darn thing on Effie.

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Re: Prince Albert Saskatchewan
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 02:38 BST (UK) »
Thanks Dollylee,
I think I found Effie back in Manitoba:
 in 1916 census in Winnipeg North #330 Cathedral living with COOPERs.
Does not totally add up as Pearl is to be the sis-in-law to wife Beatrice, and are to have english ancestry.
Maybe COOPER as head of house determined that?.
Beatrice could be a daughter I have not found or was documented in a previous census under another name.
In the same house were GRAVLEY (uncle and aunt).
Then I had help finding:

 Agnes Beatrice Robertson
 30 Jan 1882
 Female
 Wellington
 David Robertson
 Mary Jane Brooks.
So even though ROBERTSONs are scots, COOPER as Head of House may have called everyone english.
 
 
Laure (France);
Graham (Cumberland, England/Grahamsfield, Scotland), Taylor (Orkney);
Rogan, Johnston, McKinney, Irwin, Hamilton (Ireland);
Masters (Wiltshire, England).
Houldsworth (Sheffield, Middlesex)

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Re: Prince Albert Saskatchewan
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 15:12 BST (UK) »
This person has more children born in Prince Albert & Regina, and some deaths in Calgary...so they moved over another Province or two...although has death of John Harris Robertson in Saskatoon
http://www.geni.com/people/Ellen-Shaw/6000000000644747580
Note that Ellen & Nellie are interchangeable...so not a new part of her name...Dolly is also usually a nickname, but although used for Dorothy, I have heard of it used for Kathy, Margaret & Martha...etc. ...so might just be an open nickname that has nothing to do with a middle name...

So first step is to send for the marriage cert to see if parent's names and her origin may be listed

( Naughty Hesper trying to run off and join the forces at age 14...  ;D ) Thank goodness they found him out....Enough for the older boys to bear
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Re: Prince Albert Saskatchewan
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 15:51 BST (UK) »
I know  you probably have this, but we're looking for her family...so am posting for others as well
( Plus you had said 1901 )

Ellen was only 14/15 when they married, wow The registration was in 1901 but the marriage actually took place October 25, 1900 ... Here they are in the North Norfork / Macdonald
district where they married...Father and siblings on page
 http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=64209&highlight=18
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 16:02 BST (UK) »
 I see you may have all this...
using 1891 with parents and adding dates as I find them from 1901 and other census
 http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/001081-119.02-e.php?person_id_nbr=130073
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/uidlinks/Links.jsp?uid=150943117
John Shaw. Nov 25, 1839-1841 Ireland & wife Eliza Jane Aug 6, 1846-1850 Ire , son David c1871 Ire
John Thomas c.1873 (Not sure maybe Guernsey??)
Anne c.1876,  Sarah Aug 10 c.1878-79, William Aug 24 c.1880-82, Mary Jane Nov 26,1882, & Ellen c.1885 all born England.
George c 1889  and/or James born Feb 13 1889 Manitoba will be  important ones as parents would be listed...
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 16:54 BST (UK) »
Here they are in 1881 Portland, Dorset, England
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_2138698

John Ireland Civil Guard C S  c.1840 Ireland and Eliza J. c.1851 Ireland       
David A. SHAW c.1871 Ireland      
John T. SHAW c.1873 Jersey, Channel Islands   
Ann SHAW c.1877 Cheshire   
Sarah SHAW c.1879  Chatham, Kent            
William H. SHAW 1880 ( 7 month old baby) Portland, Dorset


Hmmmm Coincidence? ( yours are Ontario) But some doors down are a Robertson family...he is also a Civil Guard C S Naval Pens :
 http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_2138706

so Sarah may be the birth Sept. Q. 1878 Medway / vol. 2a  p.537
and William Henry birth Sept. Q 1880 Weymouth / vol. 5a  p.337
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