Woodfine Smith 1875

[Cheryl16]

Hi I hope some one can help please.

I am looking for the mother of Woodfine Smith, born 1875 in Longton, Staffordshire. She appears in the census named as 1871/Carolina;    1881/Catherine;    1891/Curaleoner;    1901/Catherine.

I know Woodfines father was Joseph Smith, son of Zachariah Smith and Ann, possibly Davis, I can't find a possible candidate fo Mum! 

Thanks Cheryl

[social-butterflies]

hi cheryl,
i went through the "smith gipsy genealogies" by terence lee, and there is no mention of a zachariah smith at all, and all woodfine/woodfind are wrong dates or completely differnt parents. sorry. good luck with future searching
a.

[Cheryl16]

Thanks for looking. I had already looked at TL's stuff, and know they aren't featured in there.
I know the dates are right... and the parentage. All info I have (and have checked in the census) is from The Family tree of Woodfine Smith by Josephine Tombs, published by RTFHS. Zachariah is the son of Woodfine 1780 and Sarah Boswell, and sibling to Sentinia AKA Centy AKA Henty Queen of Black Patch. As I said I know about Joseph but nothing of Coralina/Carolina/Catherine. I think she might be Black Patch too but can't find a trace of her other than she is in the census as wife of Joseph.

Cheryl

[toni*]

a\re you sure she was born 1875 as she is on the 1871 census

[toni*]

the 1881 census for Woodfine b. Longton 1875
1 Spring HIll
Joseph Smith   36 head mar tinman and brazier (all b. longton)
Catherine Smith   34 wife
Lydia Smith   15 dau potters handler
Myra Smith   10 dau scholar
Woodfine Smith   6 son scholar
Matthew Smith    son
: RG11;  2734;  106;  5

[toni*]

Myra christening

   Myra Smith
   Female
Christening    30 Oct 1870   Longton, Staffordshire, England
Father's name:   Joseph Smith
Mother's name:   Correlia

[toni*]

i suspect this is the marriage of the parents due to Lydias birth and them not being married in 1861

Marriages Dec 1868   
Harris    Sarah        Stoke T.    6b   336    
Rutter    Caroline        Stoke On Trent    6b   336    
Smith    Joseph        Stoke T.    6b   336    
Turner    Thomas        Stoke T    6b   336

stoke covers Longton

however if you purchased a birth certificate it will show mmn.

Births Jun 1875   
Smith    Woodfine        Stoke T.    6b   272

[Cheryl16]

Toni, thank you... That really looks like a possible. I'll order the cert, if it's not them I will just add it to the pile of "well it might have been" certs I have for my gypsies.

C

[Cheryl16]

I sent away for birth cert for Woodfine:

 Here are details; WOODFINE SMITH b. 11 April 1875. Longton, Staffs. father; Joseph Smith Mother: CATHERINE SMITH nee HOLLAND. Like Joseph, she signed it ' X ' (Her mark).

So Catherine/Coralina etc was a Holland. Joseph always claimed to be born Leicester and Catherine/ Coralina in Coventry, but I know the Hollands had strong links to Leicestershire too.

Any thoughts people??   Sasha.... do you know anything about this lot?


Cheryl