Doran's of Connah's Quay

[alyson123]

Thanks for the tip ........ I will remember that one!
Trying to get back to Nicholas' Cumberland roots now to
see if I can tie him in with my Doran's there.
A family member recalls her mother talking of a Nicholas
Doran in Wales they visited him and spent time fishing, so
this does look like the Nicholas she talked of.
Is there any other way of finding details of the marriage cert.
without odrering? ........ can I make an enquiry? ...... would
obviously like to know father's name.
Alyson123

[wilcoxon]

I doubt they would give any details , and  as it`s a Civil marriage it was either in a Register Office or a Chapel, ( non conformist). They didn`t keep parish registers as the Church  does, so you can`t  just look in the registers.
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/marriageinfo.php
You can get it direct from the Cheshire office rather than the main one,

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1886 to 1890
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DORAN Nicholas PEERS Jane Chester, Civil Marriage Cheshire West ROC/25/162

Looks like Nicholas lived to a good age 
Deaths Dec 1947   
Doran  Nicholas  81  Holywell  8a 460
Deaths Dec 1935   
Doran  Jane  69  Holywell  11b 218

[wilcoxon]

As for Nicholas Doran = Doran  Doran the mystery man 

 
 
 

[alyson123]

Wilcoxon,
Thanks so much for all the information, I am really on a roll
now!! ...... wow!
I think I am going to have to bite the bullet and pay for the
marriage cert.
Did have a quick look for Nicholas before I had to break off
and go to work, but like you drew a blank with any previous
census material.......he really is a mystery!
I really think this is the Nicholas I have been searching for,
as his 1st daughter Annie Mary seems to be named after
Jane's mother Anne and Nicholas' mother Mary Doran.
I have not been able to find Nicholas' siblings John and
Elizabeth(my gt gt grandmother) births in Whitehaven
either. As with them I strongly suspect they were all born
in Ireland, probably County Down ...... again still looking!!
Nicholas' parents: Mary and John Doran, came from Ireland
circa 1871, John died Whitehaven 1872 and was a master
mariner.
Thankyou so much for all your help.
Alyson123

[wilcoxon]

http://www.northophallcc.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=30

 A  nice bit of information about the Northop Hall area.

[wilcoxon]

Nicholas Doran b.1865 Whitehaven, wife Jane Doran b.1865 Northop Parish
and their children Lizzie Jane b. 1895 and Annie M b. 1893 both Northop.

Hmmm.
Marriages Sep 1924   
DORAN  Annie M  / Jones  Wrexham  11b 402
North Wales BMD narrows it  down to this.
DORAN Annie M ,Gwersyllt, Holy Trinity
JONES Llewelyn O
JONES Thomas

Births Jun 1925   
Jones  Albert H  MMN  Doran  Wrexham  11b 426

Gwersyllt is only about 12 miles  from Northop and I can see the Church from my window.
It may be worth taking a look at this. Such a shame both spouses are Jones 

[wilcoxon]

More on the Peers.  They certainly lived to great ages - some of them.

1841. Peers. All born in county Flintshire.
All on same page 7
Vinegar Hill, Ewloe.
George Perris 35 collier
Sarah Perris 25
John Perris 8
Samuel Perris 2

ditto
Thomas Peers 35 collier
Esther Peers 30
Martha Peers 10
Elizabeth Peers 9

ditto
Samuel Peers 80 labourer
Jane Peers 69
John Peers 25

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1841 Ewloe page 5
Samuel Peers 35 labourer Y
Mary Peers 25 N
Joseph Peers 7 Y
Henry Peers 1 Y

 ditto
Edward Peers 68 labourer Y
Ann Peers 68
Jane  Peers 14

==========================

1851 HO107; Piece: 2172; Folio: 782; Page: 18
Vinegar Hill Ewloe.
George Peers 47 coal miner b Northop
Sarah Peers 39 b Hawarden
John Peers 16 b "
Samuel Peers 11 b "
Thomas Peers 9 b "
George Peers 4 b"

other household
Samuel Peers 71 labourer b Hawarden
Jane wife 76 b Flint
John son unm 36 b Hawarden

other household
Esther Peers 44 widow
Elizabeth 10 dau
Mary 2 weeks grand daughter

================================
page 23
Ewloe Wood
Edward Peers 83 living on parish releif b Hawarden
Hannah Peers wife 83 ""

============================
1861 RG9; Piece: 2634; Folio: 55; Page: 14
Pentre Moch Ewloe, all b Hawarden.
George Peers 51 coalminer
Sarah Peers 49
John Peers 26 coal miner
Samuel Peers 22 railway clerk
Thomas Peers 18  """
George Peers 14 grocers app
William Peers 9

==========================

This may be Jane in 1871
RG10; Piece: 5643; Folio: 66; Page: 1
Pentre Moch, Wepre ,
Samuel Peers 32 coalminer b Hawarden
Ann Peers 37 b Northop
George Peers 8 b " ( dumb)
Jane Peers 4 b "
Arthur Peers 2 b "

==============================

And this is a stroke of luck = maybe.
1881 RG11; Piece: 3565; Folio: 27; Page: 21
Vinegar Hill Ewloe,
Sarah Peers  widow 69 b Hawarden.
Sarah Peers 16 grand dau b Northop
Arthur Peers 12 grandson b Northop

 And this looks like Jane` s Dad again. Jane is on the same page.
1881  RG11; Piece: 5505; Folio: 19; Page: 31
Dublin Row.
Samuel Peers 42 coal miner b Hawarden
Ann Peers 47 b Northop
George Peers 18 dumb and imbecile from birth ( poor boy)
John Peers 9
Samuel Peers 6

Modified to  put all records together.  
 
 


 
 

[wilcoxon]

Wilcoxon,
I think I am going to have to bite the bullet and pay for the
marriage cert.
I really think this is the Nicholas I have been searching for,
as his 1st daughter Annie Mary seems to be named after
Jane's mother Anne and Nicholas' mother Mary Doran.
Thankyou so much for all your help.
Alyson123

So- did you get the certificate.?
I have the marriage certficate of a Annie Mary Doran, father Nicholas Doran. 
Marriage at Parish Church Gwersyllt , by licence.
27 September 1924.
Thomas Jones 34 bach.  profession Railway , residence Gwersyllt,father Robert Jones , railway.
Annie Mary Doran 33 sp, House worker, residence Gwersyllt, father Nicholas Doran, Ironworker.
Wittnesses were Ann Jane Davies and Henry Davies. All parties signed their names.
There was a child registerd Wrexham dist June 1925.
Albert Jones, mothers maiden name Doran. I did look in Gwersyllt for a baptism , but nothing there.
Hope this helps.
I can email you the copy   if send me your email adress in a PM.

[alyson123]

Wilcoxon.
You are officially my Flintshire Expert
Though I must tell you that my Doran's have been
notoriously difficult to research, and now you have
added a 'Jones' into the mix.
Will pm you!
ps Nicholas' father is William Doran as stated on marriage
     certificate.