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Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer COMPLETED
« on: Thursday 16 June 11 05:02 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone,

I am looking for any descendants of Charles Neale and his first wife, Emma née ROBERTS.

Charles was baptized on 12 August 1821 (ADDED: although he was was born on 22 October 1816) in the parish of St George the Martyr, Southwark SRY, the son of Benjamin and Ann NEALE of George Street/Kent Street. Benjamin Neale was a bricklayer.

In March 1843 Charles, a French Clog Maker of full age residing at St George Street, married Emma ROBERTS at Trinity Church, Parish of St Mary Newington SRY. Emma was a spinster of full age residing at 6 Valentine Place. His father was Benjamin NEALE, a bricklayer and her father was Thomas ROBERTS, a baker.

In 1861 Charles and Emma were living at 41 Great Dover Street, Newington SRY with their five children:

1.   Charles born c’1848
2.   Benjamin born c’1850
3.   Elizabeth born c’1855
4.   Alfred born c’1858
5.   William born c’1860

In 1871 Charles appeared in the UK census as a widower. FreeBMD lists the death of an Emma Neale at Lambeth in 1867 who might be his wife.

In March 1872 Charles married again, to Sarah RILEY (née ELLERKER), a widow, born at Beverley ERY in 1814. The marriage took place at Trinity Church in the Parish of St Mary, Newington SRY. Charles described himself as a shoemaker of 6 Dover Road. They did not have any children.

In the 1881 UK Census Charles and Sarah were living at 3 Ravensbourne Road, Bromley KEN. Charles was a boot and shoe merchant. Contemporary town directories for Bromley don’t list Charles in the commercial section so it seems that he had probably retired to live in Bromley.
http://archive.library.bromley.gov.uk/dserve/Commercialstreetdirectories.htm

In the same census Charles’s eldest son Charles was a boot manufacturer living with his wife Mary and their children at Bexley KEN, and on the night of the 1881 census his brother Alfred, a solicitor, was visiting them.

Charles did not appear in the 1891 census and I suspect that he was the Charles NEALE who died at Lambeth in 1883, aged 63.

Sarah NEALE continued to reside at 3 Ravensbourne Road, Bromley until her death in December 1900. The informant for her death was her step-son Charles NEALE who lived at 3 Elmfield Park, Bromley.

Can anyone help me find when and where Charles NEALE died and was buried, where he operated his business or help me trace any descendants?

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HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 16 June 11 07:15 BST (UK) »
Charles NEALE of 3 Ravensbourne Rd, Bromley and of 52 Southwark Bridge Rd, Surrey boot and shoe merchant died 20 Jan 1892 at Camberwell House, Peckham, Surrey.  Probate granted London 26 Feb to Alfred NEALE solicitor and Benjamin NEALE boot and shoe merchant £15727.  Camberwell House was a private lunatic asylum.

That would explain why Sarah is listed as "wife" and "married" at the time of the 1891 censu then.  There is indeed a Charles NEALE patient resident there (no further information given) at the time of the 1891 census.  I didn't make a note of the page number but found him by scrolling through - RG12/472 folios 159-170

You can apply for a copy of the will by post from http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1226.htm for £5.

Charles appears in an 1891 directory for 52 Southwark Bridge Rd whilst Benjamin NEALE is listed by 1895 http://www.historicaldirectories.org

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 16 June 11 08:29 BST (UK) »
Starting with Benjamin NEALE:

1891 91 Savernake Rd, St Pancras, London

Benjamin NEALE head mar 39 boot and shoe traveller b.Dover St, London
Frances L wife 29 b.Camberwell

RG12/137 folio 155 page 38
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1901 "Ravensbourne", Westby Rd, Bournemouth, Hampshire

Benjamin NEALE head mar 51 living on own means b.London
Louisa wife 40 b.London
+ 1 servant
RG13/1044 folio 144 page 18
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 ??? Benjamin NEALE of 88 Marina, St Leonards on Sea died 2 Nov 1929.  Probate to Alfred NEALE solicitor £6010.

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 16 June 11 09:13 BST (UK) »
1901 5 Woolstone Rd, Lewisham

Alfred NEALE head mar 43 solicitor b.Southwark
Margaret wife 40 b.Stepney
Mary A HEWITT wife's cousin unm 58 b.Greenwich
Harriett wife's cousin unm 55 b.Greenwich
+ 1 servant
RG13/561 folio 66 page 31
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1891 Alfred was lodging in Lewisham, a solicitor age 33 unmarried b.Lambeth
RG12/520 folio 166 page 34

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 June 11 03:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Casalguidi,

Thank you very much, this is brilliant stuff! ;D And you've saved me from buying the wrong death certificate. ;D ;D

I had looked for a probate but my cut-off year was 1891 ::) Sad to see that Charles ended up in a lunatic asylum. I wonder why?

His second wife Sarah had suffered from dementia for twenty years at the time of her death in 1900.

I'll follow up on your information and also order Charles's will.

Thanks again,

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 June 11 06:55 BST (UK) »
A bit more to work with for now .............

1891 4 Broadway,  Bromely, Kent

Charles NEALE head mar 43 bootmaker b.St Mary Newington
Mary wife 35 b.St  Mary Newington
Charles G(oodall) son 13 b.St Mary Newington
Benjamin A(lfred) son 11 b.St Mary Newington
Mary E I dau 9 b.Eltham Kent

RG12/629 folio 9 page 11
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1901 3 Elmsfield Rd, Bromley

Charles NEALE head mar 53 retired commercial traveller b.Southwark
Mary wife 46 b.Newington
Charles Goodall son unm 23 solicitor b.Newington
Benjamin Alfred son 21 coach builder b.Newington
Mary Elizabeth dau 19 b.Lamorbey
John Goodall son 9 b.Bromley
+ 1 servant
RG13/682 folio 63 page 20
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Charles Goodall NEALE, solicitor of 32 Hampden Road, Beckenham, Kent enlisted into the RGA 29 Nov 1915.  Married Daisy Eleanor AIREY (dau of Miles AIREY) 24 Jul 1909 at St Stephen Walbrook, London.  Children - Betty Eleanor b.23 Jan 1911  Beckenham, Charles Alfred 5 Nov 1916 Beckenham.

Betty E NEALE m Thomas E EVANS 1940 Bromley registration district.
Betty Eleanor EVANS (born 23 Jan 1911) died May 2000 Hastings and Rother district, East Sussex

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Benjamin Alfred NEALE age 30 son of Charles NEALE and Mary GOODALL married Beatrice PAYNE 27 dau of Douglas PAYNE and Margaret Lucy MORLEY at Carleton, Ontario, Canada 27 Feb 1907.  He can be seen travelling back and forth to the UK c1910-1930+.
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John Goodall NEALE (born 8 Apr 1890) died March quarter of 1977 in the Battle district of East Sussex.

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 June 11 23:21 BST (UK) »
Spades

Not sure if you have this one.

Trinity Church, St Mary, Newington
1844 Oct 27, Emma, d/o Charles & Emma NEALE, George St Kent St, Clog maker, born 1844 Jun 5

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 18 June 11 02:14 BST (UK) »
my Neale ancestors also came from lambeth. Richard Collyer who married Hannah Neale and another line is Joseph Adams who married Jane Neale

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 18 June 11 12:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian,

Thanks for that.

And hi too, Jasonwills. I don't have enough information at present to make a connection with your mob but I'll bear you in mind.

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL