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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 18 June 11 12:31 BST (UK) »
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There are a couple of Emma NEALE deaths in St George Southwark in Jun qtr 1846 and Mar qtr 1847.

Wondering if there were two Emma's to Charles and Emma, as there is a birth in Jun qtr 1844, which is the one I found the baptism of before, and then one in Sep 1846. Fits datewise.

See that Charles baptism in 1821 gives his birthdate as 22 Oct 1816 if you did not already have it. Would fit more with being 74 in 1892

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 18 June 11 23:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks Ian,

Thaanks again, I've edited my original post to include his date of birth.

I'll have a look for the second Emma you mention.

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #11 on: Friday 24 June 11 06:40 BST (UK) »
Hi casalguidi,

You said in your first reply that, "There is indeed a Charles NEALE patient resident [at Camberwell House] ... at the time of the 1891 census.  I didn't make a note of the page number but found him by scrolling through - RG12/472 folios 159-170."

I finally got to a library and found the folio pages you refered to above, but could not find a Charles NEALE. I note that several dozen patients were listed only by their initials, but none matched Charles Neale either.

Any chance you could direct me further? My apologies for being obtuse.

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #12 on: Friday 24 June 11 09:49 BST (UK) »
It's RG12/472 folio 165 page 14 - he's the first one listed on the page.

If you have access to a search feature, search for Edgar MAYHEW age 35 in Camberwell ............... he's next on the list.

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #13 on: Friday 24 June 11 12:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you, I'll go back and look again.

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #14 on: Monday 27 June 11 05:32 BST (UK) »
I've found it, thanks Casalguidi. :D

Don't know how I missed it but I might have hit the Next Page button twice.

Now to wait for his death certificate to arrive to discover the cause of death. Why was he insane (or considered so)?

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 21 July 11 04:26 BST (UK) »
I received Charles' death certificate yesterday.

He died on 20 January 1892 at Camberwell House aged 74 and was described as a shoe merchant of Bromley, Kent. Causes of death were: Morbis Cordis-several years; Bronchitis-3 months; and Diabetes. The informant was W.E. FREE, present at the death, of Camberwell House Lunatic Asylum.

Morbis Cordis is an archaic term for heart disease.
http://www.antiquusmorbus.com/Index.htm

Clearly quite a sick man medically but unfortunately no clues as to why he had been commited to camberwell House.

Thanks to everyone for their help.  ;D
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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 18 December 11 19:50 GMT (UK) »
I am researching my mother's (Peggy Neale) family She was the daughter of Benjamin Alfred Neale and Beatrice Payne. I was unclear from the thread as to the parents of the Charles Neale cited below.  Can you offer any help?

Thanks Much!

A bit more to work with for now .............

1891 4 Broadway,  Bromely, Kent

Charles NEALE head mar 43 bootmaker b.St Mary Newington
Mary wife 35 b.St  Mary Newington
Charles G(oodall) son 13 b.St Mary Newington
Benjamin A(lfred) son 11 b.St Mary Newington
Mary E I dau 9 b.Eltham Kent

RG12/629 folio 9 page 11
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1901 3 Elmsfield Rd, Bromley

Charles NEALE head mar 53 retired commercial traveller b.Southwark
Mary wife 46 b.Newington
Charles Goodall son unm 23 solicitor b.Newington
Benjamin Alfred son 21 coach builder b.Newington
Mary Elizabeth dau 19 b.Lamorbey
John Goodall son 9 b.Bromley
+ 1 servant
RG13/682 folio 63 page 20
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Charles Goodall NEALE, solicitor of 32 Hampden Road, Beckenham, Kent enlisted into the RGA 29 Nov 1915.  Married Daisy Eleanor AIREY (dau of Miles AIREY) 24 Jul 1909 at St Stephen Walbrook, London.  Children - Betty Eleanor b.23 Jan 1911  Beckenham, Charles Alfred 5 Nov 1916 Beckenham.

Betty E NEALE m Thomas E EVANS 1940 Bromley registration district.
Betty Eleanor EVANS (born 23 Jan 1911) died May 2000 Hastings and Rother district, East Sussex

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Benjamin Alfred NEALE age 30 son of Charles NEALE and Mary GOODALL married Beatrice PAYNE 27 dau of Douglas PAYNE and Margaret Lucy MORLEY at Carleton, Ontario, Canada 27 Feb 1907.  He can be seen travelling back and forth to the UK c1910-1930+.
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John Goodall NEALE (born 8 Apr 1890) died March quarter of 1977 in the Battle district of East Sussex.

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Re: Charles NEALE b.1821 Lambeth LDN, boot and shoe manufacturer COMPLETED
« Reply #17 on: Monday 20 January 14 08:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi MikeInDavis,

My apologies, I didn't receive a notification of your reply to the topic.

If you're still around I'd like to discuss the family with you.

Could you reply and I'll send you what information I have by PM (Personal Message).

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MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
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RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL